Attention BAC 1-11 pilots

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 08 Jun 2006, 14:25

Hi Guys

All BAC1-11's have been re-positioned to the UK. 200 series and 400 series flights will start appearing soon, as well as additional flights for the 500 series.

Shorter flights of under two hours have been scheduled for the 200/400's with an even mix between them. Longer routes have been reserved for the 500's. There are more 500 flights so the flight numbers have 'straddled the 200 series flight numbers to enable instant recognition of 1-11 series vs flight numbers.

BAC 1-11 500 flight numbers CBF1000 - CBF1199 plus CBF1300 - CBF1399
BAC 1-11 200 flight numbers CBF1200 - CBF1299
BAC 1-11 400 flight numbers CBF1400 - CBF1499

I have also updated the 'Flight Numbers' thread to reflect this.

Rgds

John

Post by **Rick Piper** » 08 Jun 2006, 14:28

Rgr that

shame we can't do all the flight numbers to match every type.

Regards
Rick

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 08 Jun 2006, 16:41

While I am glad that these AC are now available for use, its seams like cheating to just transfer them. I think that in the future we should only transfer planes in emergencies or if the AC does not have the range to make the transit, the standard way of moving AC should be setting up ferry flights and having our pilots fly them. I suggested this twice on the forum nobody seamed to notice.

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 08 Jun 2006, 19:49

Joe, it's a lot of work to setup the ferry flights when they're a one-time deal. Not only that, but right now the system doesn't recognize fuel stops as part of a single, large flight, so it keeps you from having the flexibility of deciding how long you want to fly each leg.

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 08 Jun 2006, 20:41

Chris,

Having done it before for a different airline its not as much work as you imply, it does take some planning, I had even worked out and posted the route to get the 1-11's from north america back to the UK (5 stops none longer than 1000nm), its unfortunaly lost with the forums crash and restore.

Flynet only seams to put new aircraft in about 4 or 5 airports, so it makes planning a little easier. The biggest problem is that the pilots would have to pay for a ticket to get to the starting point, and it would be easier if FlyNET would allow an airline to setup a route that any of its aircraft could use.

If its just the time to set up the flights and then remove after all the ac have been moved, and I am the one saying we should do it and its not that much work to set it up I guess I had better be willing to step up and offer to do the work, and I am.

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 08 Jun 2006, 21:24

I meant in FlyNET. You have to setup the flight in the system and get all of the information to fill it out and several other factors that limits you (the pilot) to where you can go. Like I said, it's easier to jsut transfer them in. Another thing to consider is cost. It costs many times more to ferry the airplane than to transfer it because the transfer doesn't work in the multiplier (which the actually flown ferry flights do).

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 08 Jun 2006, 21:40

Chris,

Yes, I understood you ment in FlyNET. One thing to consider for the cost is that because the airline and our pilots have such a high reputation, the ferry flights will make far more revenue than they will burn in fuel.

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 08 Jun 2006, 23:11

Hi Joe,

To be honest, I've been very busy with the rest of the stuff and put the ferry thing to the back of my mind. If you want to come up with a route, I'll see what I can do. Aircraft are delivered in USA at KJFK or KORD, so if you want to make a route from both of those to say EGCC I'll put them on the system when I get a chance.

I'm expecting some more BAC1-11's so you need to do say max 3 hour legs(longer for your water crossing but keep as short as poss) for the 200/400's and say max 4 hour legs for the 500's. PLEASE give me 4-letter ICAO codes for each leg and flight times. Once you've made your route, check the FlyNET airport database to make sure they're already in the database. If any aren't then please pick another airport. These will become revenue flights.

Rgds

John

DispatchDragon · Post by **DispatchDragon** » 09 Jun 2006, 00:57

Joe /John if you want some "Blue Sruce" routes to bring 1-11s backa cross the atlantic I can give you routes tonight - seeing as thats how we ferry our MD80s across from SAS

Leif

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 09 Jun 2006, 01:04

Hi Leif

Sure, I'm sure your route will be the most efficient. Depending on sector length, may have to tech stop for revenue purposes especially for the 2/400's with lower pax numbers. I presume we can run the reciprocal that you use. Please feel free to post here. We'll be starting from KORD or KJFK.

Rgds

John