Jet Provost T.5

[JD_Wyberton]

This is the model released for FS9 some time ago - and a valued part of my FS9 fleet - now re-released for FSX, 'adusted' by Danny Garnier at SimViation.

Basically, he's simply added the thumbnail, as he has for many other FS9 aircraft. I guess he must have your permission Rick.

In his covering text on Simviation he says that a couple of the gauges or lights don't work in FSX - but I have SP2 (and Vista, fwiw) and all is working very sweetly. Didn't have to 'OK' anything, either.

[DaveG]

I guess he must have your permissin Rick

I wouldn't put money on it

[TSR2]

Hi JD.

I doubt Rick would give his blessing to something the reports to be "Rereleased for FSX" when it clearly isn't. The aircraft will be exactly as you find it now on my system only without the thumbnail. If Rick was rereleasing anything for FSX, it would be a rework and not the addition of a thumbnail.

Sorry if I sound a little hacked off, but having seen the work that Rick puts into all of his models, let alone the stuff he is currently working on for FSX, I get just a tad p155ed off at folk who claim to have reworked his model for FSX when they have done nothing.

Sorry for being a grumpy git, but Danny whoever he is should learn to model and see how much goes into making something for FSX before "reworking" someone elses. :@

[Tweek]

I was tempted to download one of his 'adaptations', until I saw just how many he'd done. Usually that just means it's a case of somebody going through different addons, seeing what works reasonably well in FSX, and adding a thumbnail. Little else.

[Rick Piper]

Hi Guys

Nobody has asked for my permission & simviation keep completely ignoring my requests to not let these muppets upload anything as 99% have no idea what they are doing as you cannot convert a model that alread runns fine in FSX.

all my models clearly state that you cannot upload without my permission & only textures can be uploaded.

I think i will tell SImviation to remove all my models as i am sick of the attitude over the last year or so.

Regards
Rick

[JD_Wyberton]

Hi Rick

Well on the one hand I'm sorry you feel so peed off - but on the other hand, I'm glad I posted this here because it's something I often wondered about (whether they had permission, if it was indeed, required etc). I thought Simviation was a well-known enough site that you , and other model builders, would be aware of what was going on there.

At the end of the day, all they've done is move it from the FS2004 section to the FSX section and added a thumbnail - he does say quite clearly that it's an FS9 model that he found works in FSX. I assumed they'd checked with you first - in previous such instances in the read me file it had stated that the model maker had not responded (yeah - I know from racing sims that that usual means 'no' and should be taken as such), but I knew in this instance that you are contactable, and therefore one assumes he has asked.

Basically he's just doing what a lot of people are either too lazy or don't have time to do - but he could just print a list of models he finds work in FSX (like I have done for myself as I've tested hundreds of them - as have, no doubt, many other people) instead of uploading the actual models in the FSX section.

If he isn't bothering to ask, this was bound to happen eventually.

In any case, Rick - it's a great little model and I'm pleased as punch that it works in FSX!

Thanx :prayer:


EDIT: I just read through this and think it may look like I'm backing him up - I'm not! I am completely in agreement with you, Rick - it's your hard work and you should get to say what happens with it.

[Garry Russell]

Funny

I was involved in this sort of issue on the Forum there yesterday

I didn't know about this but there are people there who think they are doing FS a favour by upsetting moddeller so much they are making the changes themselves. They feel they have kicked the arses of the modellers into upgrading.

I was saying they should not touch but some reckon freeware and it anybodys

This is clearly not the case

When I pointed out that hundreds and hundreds of hours or research and making have gone into my first maodel and I don't want it touched I was told that no one asked me to...what a bl@@dy cheek

They suggest that if it concerns me then don't release it.

They miss the point they say I have to accept it as fact but mugging is fact but that does not make it acceptable

These folks that interfere should be given the contempt they deserve but it is for some reason it is acceptable.

Well it's not

Garry

[JD_Wyberton]

Well, I would suggest making all your freeware titles donationware instead - or only hosting here and having a subscription charge. But then, once the model is out there, there would be very little a builder can do, especially if it's an overseas (wherever overseas may be to the originator) website, where litigation would, at best, be very expensive. At least then these punters can't argue that it's freeware so get lost.

I've done skins for Lock On/FC, rFactor and GTR2 in the past - and they stayed on my PC (except some pics that I posted for the model builders' interest) because I was determined a) not to step on anyone's toes and b) not to get a virtual mugging by the forum vigilantes.

[Hot_Charlie]

Funny

I was involved in this sort of issue on the Forum there yesterday

I didn't know about this but there are people there who think they are doing FS a favour by upsetting moddeller so much they are making the changes themselves. They feel they have kicked the arses of the modellers into upgrading.

Sadly a trick was missed in allowing Nor-Cal etc to continue uploading in the first place. However I can also see it from the other side that it is impossible to read every readme of uploaded files - and as a site owner and user you'd hope all uploads were uploaded in good faith. Sadly Nor-cal seem a little blinkered, and Pete has missed a trick in allowing them to continue uploading. I would agree with Rick that I would think it entirely appropriate for him to ask to have all his files removed, which of course would be disappointing, yet perhaps necessary to get the message across.

They suggest that if it concerns me then don't release it.

Having met the chap who made the comment to that effect on several occasions (and he's a decent enough gent ;-) ), and read the discussion in question, I think you are taking him a little out of context, and even perhaps quoting him a little unfairly. As he said, once a file is released in to the public domain, whatever happens you cannot physically stop people doing what they want with it (although of course you can ask helpful site owners to remove offending items if they are subsequently uploaded into the public domain without consent), fact, however morally dubious it may be.

[ukmil]

seems they have done it again with the simshed Tincan

http://www.simviation.com/fsxprops22.htm