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[andy]

One woman is enough for any sane man......................!

Or two if your name is Jonesey..!

Two's OK at playtime.................the rest of the time it's just double grief.

[petermcleland]

In a two seat fighter, the pilot can ALWAYS black the other guy out without going more than grey himself...This is because he is actually moving the stick and doing all the auto tensing that his body has learned over the years...As Tonks has said this is a learning process and it occurs naturally, but the triggers involved are the acts of applying pressure and movement to the controls...The other guy, even if he has equal experience and is following through on the controls, is not actually doing it and as a result will not autotense in the same way as the pilot will.

BTW...The same goes for solo aerobatic displays...I never took a passenger when I was using a two seater for practicing. The only time I did take one because he really pressed me, he felt pretty ill at the end of it...Didn't put old Dinger Bell off though...He later became a Red Arrow for many years :dance:

[Nigel H-J]

Refering to Peters' reply of the Red Arrows, I had watched a documentary once of their selection procedure.......The candidates were over in Cyprus with the Reds during their final training sessions and were put in the back seats, the would-be Red hopefuls wore just their flying suits whereas the pilots had G-suits on.....believe this was to prevent the back-seat paxs from the possibility of snagging their G-suits on any of the controls......If my memory serves me correctly.....a few stated afterwards that they had passed out!!

[AndyG]

Refering to Peters' reply of the Red Arrows, I had watched a documentary once of their selection procedure.......The candidates were over in Cyprus with the Reds during their final training sessions and were put in the back seats, the would-be Red hopefuls wore just their flying suits whereas the pilots had G-suits on.....believe this was to prevent the back-seat paxs from the possibility of snagging their G-suits on any of the controls......If my memory serves me correctly.....a few stated afterwards that they had passed out!!

One of my favourite TV moments was watching Jeremy Clarkson blackout in the back of some American thing (I think he called it an 'F-15'), followed by extensive use of a handy brown paper bag. The pilot couldn't understand what all the fuss was about.

BTW Peter, would you have stretched the rule about nobody along for the practice session if it had been Andy's friend Stella?

AndyG

[cstorey]

It doesn't usually require as much as 7g. There is a function of time involved as well, and my experience was that if you could pull a sustained 4.5 g or so ( achievable in a 90 degree banked turn) for say 15 seconds , most people began to grey out. In practice, however, most piston aircraft are not powerful enough to sustain this for longer than that and tend to fall out of the turn or slow up to such an extent that you get a high speed stall

Chris

[petermcleland]

BTW Peter, would you have stretched the rule about nobody along for the practice session if it had been Andy's friend Stella?

No I wouldn't have Andy...Formation Aerobatics yes...That is smooth and low G...about 4.5G max with a decent leader. But my solo display was violent and also had some sustained negative G to about -3G...Absolutely everyone would hate it sitting there with me and Dinger Bell was no exception...I only took him because he was so persistent and wouldn't take no for an answer.

I suspect that Girls would hate it even more...even Stella :roll:

[andy]

I would suspect that Stella would be quite shaken, and could quite easily have "sprayed" everywhere.................chist.................oh!