Trident update - Anyone want a go?

Post by **MALTBY D** » 08 Oct 2006, 18:08

Just had a quick check on airliners.net for Water Injection units. (there's nowt on the telly!)
Looks like the T1 & T2 had it fitted & the T3 didn't. Peter was nearly always on T3s, so that ties in nicely.

Can't remember now, but even if the T3 did have the 'W' version of the Spey, you don't have to fill the water tank.
BEA may have just removed the unit from the cockpit because the T3 did have the booster for extra takeoff help.

There are a few shots on airliners.net
The Water Injection unit is clear on the first pic, top right of the overhead.
AWZK & AWZP both have that part of the panel blanked off.

T1
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1007071/L/
T2
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1086752/L/
T3
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0765864/L/

DM

Post by **Garry Russell** » 08 Oct 2006, 18:36

Water was standard on the One-Eleven but BEA specified without so they seem to have an adversity to it.

Maybe it was removed on the Trident

Garry

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 08 Oct 2006, 19:31

Right, according to Neil "Trident Man" Lomax, all 2Es had water injection but although the 3s had the "W" engine, water injection was not implemented because they had the boost engine already anyway. Chinese Super-3Bs did have water injection too though. 1Cs did not have it but we arent sure about 1Es. In the case where water injection is installed, the water tank had a capacity of 145 imp. gals.

Post by **DaveB** » 08 Oct 2006, 21:05

Hi Toby,

Coincidental that you posted a G-INFO link to G-AWZO as I have it's flight manual here in front of me (and I know that Peter has flown this aircraft too)

Power plants listed are 3 x 512-5. There is no 'W' designation and nowhere in the FM indicates injection of any kind. I wouldn't be so bold as to suggest that NO Tri3 had water injection but given PeterM's familiarity with the type and his quite outstanding recall, I'd have thought if it had been fitted to any, that would not be something he'd forget

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Post by **DaveB** » 08 Oct 2006, 22:11

An addition to my last.

Seemed like a good idea to take ZO up for a quickie as I thought she must be very good on fuel being as the last pilot had left 42kg onboard :roll: You know who you are!!!!

ATB

DaveB :tab:

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 08 Oct 2006, 22:19

How have you come by that? 'WZO was supposed to go to the DH museum. Its possible that it was fitted with the incorrect engines after being withdrawn as any decent Speys left in the Tridents upon retirement were kept as spares for the One Eleven fleet.

Definitely no water injection on BA's T3Bs anyway. CAAC's did. The trouble is, DM would have to make so many variants if all were to be accurate. CAAC's cockpits for example are very different, not even having ramshorn control columns.

Post by **DaveB** » 09 Oct 2006, 00:07

Hi TV!

I'm saddened to say that ZO's manual is not mine.. I'm merely it's custodian for an undetermined time :sad: :crying:

Your scenario is a logical one Toby. Spey's would have only had a limited production run and the logical thing to do would have been to have taken comparatively low hour units out of retired aircraft and recycle them

I agree entirely with your panel scenario too. It was not quite an intention but more a wish list that a 510/BEA/BA panel would be nice for the 1-11's too but at the time, DM hadn't made the Trident panel so all-new gauges would have had to be made. While it would be (he says) comparatively easy to 'knock up' a BEA/BA specific 2D panel, there is always the problem of the VC which would require a lot of work and an extra model. As you well know.. users demand much more from freeware now and are willing to complain if they don't get what they want!

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Post by **Garry Russell** » 09 Oct 2006, 00:44

True Dave the will complain about freeware

So......all complaints to this number....calls cost 50p a minuet min length of call 30 mins

Soon be retired

Garry

Post by **MALTBY D** » 09 Oct 2006, 11:05

You know who you are!!!!

I didn't but, having checked on the stats, I do now.

I'm quite happy that the BEA/BA T3 wouldn't have had Water Injection & the booster will be the reason why.
Still think the 1C had it through, maybe it was the 1E that didn't?
ARPP was a 1C & this pic shows the W/I unit clearest of the lot.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1007071/L/
It doesn't seem to be the sort of museum where they'd stick one in just to fill a gap.

As I said, it's easily ignored, so I'm not bothered if it's there one in the T3 model.
I did start on a 1-11 510 cockpit once, but I've managed to lose it. :think:
The worst bit is the overhead, it's all squeezed in different & has two extra panels either side. :roll:

Thanks
DM

petermcleland · Post by **petermcleland** » 09 Oct 2006, 12:11

Yes, ALL my Trident service was on the 3B but when the three Trident Flights were amalgamated I did a short course to familiarise with the 1 and 2. From then on we all flew the three marks. I carefully avoided ever flying the mark 1 and very shortly there were none left to fly. However, I did really enjoy my flights in the mark 2...we T3 pilots came to regard the T2 as a "Sportscar" version.

The aforementioned short course did not mention water injection.

David...It doesn't bother me that it is there in the Worlds best FS freeware airliner...I hadn't actually noticed it