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Hawker/AW Sea Hawk W.I.P.

Post by nazca_steve »

Hello all,

Well, I finally moved onto the JAMAIRCRAFT DESIGN Sea Hawk. While the model has a few flaws, it is still the only freeware one I can find and I wanted to have a stab at it.

Currently I am having quite a few problems with it given the way it appears to have been image mapped - the top wings being a total 'mare. Hence the lack of roundels on the upper wings right now (has a nasty habit of duping the roundel) which requires further investigation.

Still, she is coming along in a basic sense, I still have some more panelling details, weathering and markings to add. Feedback as always appreciated, especially if someone could point out exactly what colours the Sea Hawk took. I have plenty of reference photos but not an exact colour guide, so have come up with this scheme so far. Cheers all,

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Somewhere, and I have forgotten the website address, there is a site which gives all the colour mixes for FS painting to arrive at the correct shades for British service aircraft. Including the elusive 'reds' for roundels.

Currently the underside colour on your model is not green enough, but it is a very tricky shade. One could avoid that by adopting the later dark grey/white underside scheme worn by RN Seahawks in 1960 but the topside/underside demarcation lines are different to the those on RN Seahawks at the peak of their service lives. The majority of British aircraft were finished in dark sea grey/sky - 'sky' in this instance was a very pale green.

Is the Jamair aircraft the model with the detached and wobbly starboard main wheel which other modellers seem unable to correct?

The German and Indian Seahawks were in the dark grey/white scheme but the Netherlands aircraft were in dark grey/'sky' scheme similar to those of the RN.

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Wow looking good Steve, I know you'll be putting a smile on a lot of faces with this, mine included! :smile:

I am unable to find reference material regarding the exact colours for this type, but here's a link which may be of some use:

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/UK.html

I hope this helps.


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Ooh, you are so impatient Steve!!! :wink:

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Post by nazca_steve »

Thanks for the feedback and colour advice gentlemen, especially Hobby as now I can match the sky and dark grey to the RGB charts I have for those colours. I probably will produce the later scheme as well as the foreign birds and the cool looking all-black scheme I've seen. Can anyone shed some light on this scheme, such as when and where it was used? In the photos I have the all-black types seem pretty weathered.

Yes, it is the wobbly wheel Jamair model, but I am not sure if this is covered in the patch you can download - I know it addresses some of the problems with this model...of course if Andy G had made that NEW Sea Hawk, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.... :lol:

Lee, you'll be getting these Sea Hawk repaints one way or another (assuming I can figure out the roundel issue!)

Hobby, could you by chance rig up some nice cannon effects for her like you did with the Canberra? May as well make this thing the bees knees as much as possible. :dance:

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Patience is a virtue Steve! :dance:

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Hi

LeeC has identified the site I could not recall. Many thanks. That site contains the exact colour mixes reqd for Fs9 to produce the light green 'sky' - should be a great help.

The Jamair wobbly mainwheel was not fixed in the fs9 patch by BC. He said he had found it impossible to fix the model.

The all black scheme was worn by the Fleet Requirements Unit aircraft. a/c XE339 carried red/white/blue fuselage roundels and white ROYAL NAVY aft of those roundels on the fuselage with the acft no. on the fin just above the fuselage line and below the tailplane 'X' & 'R' (of ROYAL NAVY) appear to be verically aligned, you will need photos because Seahawks had various styles and positions for 'ROYAL NAVY.' That particular acft served the FRU 1965-1969 and was operated by Airwork.

Another all black acft was delivered to the INDIAN NAVY, with Indian Navy markings, numbered IN192 ex RN XE372 in Nov 1964.

Some black and white photos appear to show all black aircraft in the RN aerobatic team but these aircraft were scarlet overall with large white 'ROYAL' under the stbd wing and similar 'NAVY' under the port wing R/W/B roundels carried on both upper and lower wings and fuselage. Acft no. and smaller ROYAL NAVY carried aft roundel with number on fin as before.
These were FB3 acft. WM934 of 738 Sqdn is one example.

There is also an 'apple green' and white admiral's barge with a small adml's flag FGA 6 of 781 Sqdn based at Yeovilton in the early 1960s

Yes if someone can find a way to fix the 'wobbly' wheel I shall be pleased to add the 'cannon' effect.

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Post by nazca_steve »

Brilliant research there Hobby - don't suppose you have photos of any of these unusual colour schemes? As for the nose wheel fix- well, model work is out of my court, perhaps some benevolent soul here will help us. Or Perhaps I should abandon further work and be a bit more patient until Andy G makes a new model (probably worth it given the trouble we're going to have with this one!)

We'll see. May have to shelve this for a bit.
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Not the nosewheel, it is the starboard maiwheel.

Perhaps one of our model experts can cure the problem.

Re photos of colourschemes I pm you.

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Post by nazca_steve »

Thanks for the reminder and the PM. I've been chipping away at it some more and am getting closer with the upper wing roundels now - still got some tweaking to do though :think: At least the colours are closer now though (sky was the perfect match).

The only other buggers are the underwing flaps which I can't seem to find in the texture files - more detective work to do. Here's what I've got done so far:

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