Looking for a b727

LongHaul · Post by **LongHaul** » 31 May 2006, 00:35

Bizzarely enough, the one I'm gonna start with tomorrow when I've sorted out a decent sound pack - started up at EDDL for a quick circuit earlier on and the darn thing was using the default Flyer sounds!

draken79 · Post by **draken79** » 31 May 2006, 20:26

i have the cs and dreamfleet version the dreamfleet one wins hands down on system realism or should i say it keeps your brain working? lol. plus the cs version isnt so realistic. CS seam to have a problem modelling the autopilot correctly on ther boeing fleet.

mgchristy · Post by **mgchristy** » 01 Jun 2006, 00:43

Glad to hear you went with the Dreamfleet version! You won't regret it. It's actually not that bad once you get the hang of it. Give it a few virtual flights and it'll be second nature.

The second time I opened all the cross link valves, and when the center tank emptied, all the engines shut down even though there was still fuel in the side tanks.

Happened to me several times before I realized that I needed to turn off the center pumps. If the center tank is empty, you have to leave the crossfeed valve open to draw fuel from the other tanks, but if you leave the center pumps on in the dry tank, it'll "draw air" (presumably) and cause the engines to conk out. Just turn the center pumps off and all should be well (I hope

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I still can't figure out how to turn on the TCAS once its off

The TCAS switch is right to the left of the transponder display window on the center pedestal panel pop-up. Rotate the knob to "TA/RA" for full functionality.

Anywho...pardon my rambling. Good luck. It's a great add-on...and the best payware tri-jet out there. I think we all know who makes the best freeware tri-jet......

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 01 Jun 2006, 02:00

Thanks for the info, I will be trying this out again tonight.

mgchristy wrote:Anywho...pardon my rambling. Good luck. It's a great add-on...and the best payware tri-jet out there. I think we all know who makes the best freeware tri-jet......

Can't argue with that. :dance:

michduncg · Post by **michduncg** » 01 Jun 2006, 22:56

Coming in at the tail end of this, but am interested to read the comments. I got the Capt Sim/Just Flight version recently and love it - you really do have to keep your wits about! All those terrain alarms and stall warnings going off on approach - maybe I'm just doing it wrong lol. But I am just curious about the flight dynamics, because I can make a fully laden -B 727200 climb at 300 knots at a 25 angle of climb (with 5 deg flaps). Now, I wanted to fly this a/c just to compare it with the Trident 2, and so I have been used to an aircraft which had trouble exceeding 1,500 ft per min at full power. But my 727 seems to race up at 4,000 ft a min! Is this really how powerful the 727 was - or is the Capt Sim flight dynamics really that bad!?

mgchristy · Post by **mgchristy** » 02 Jun 2006, 05:28

Hi michduncg,

Unfortunately for me, I haven't any first-hand experience with how a 72 really flies...but everything I've read and everyone I've spoken to state that the plane was a dream to fly. Although initial departure angles may have been steep, there's no way a fully laden 200 would climb out at 4,000fpm with or without flaps 5. From my understanding, the 100s were more sprightly....but I doubt they'd be able to match those numbers under the best of circumstances, either.

The seemingly excessive thrust was one of those things about the CS model that always made me go :k: . It just didn't seem right. I used to live right near KCMH in Ohio...and I recall on many occasions seeing heavy 727-200s on takeoff cross the end threshold of 28L with what seemed to be barely 200ft of altitude...and that was a 10,000ft runway!

DispatchDragon · Post by **DispatchDragon** » 02 Jun 2006, 07:10

Hello Mich and Christy

Well Lets see I have a couple of hours on the flight deck of 727s - 100 and 200s - sorry there is No way a 200 with any load on is going to
see 4000fpm - maybe a 100 with -15s might -empty - as far a flying qualities - I have had the chance to fly a 727 (100) on a ferry flight
and the term "Cement truck" comes to mind.- oh yes - the Capt Sim
payware is the one I have and it performs pretty much as close as you
are going to come with FS. - If either of you want to try something
well 2 somethings - try these

1/. Try an approach close to MLW with 40 flap and you'll find out why
all 727s left have 40 flap pegged off - If you can develop enough
power to stop the rate of descent then its NOT a good recreation

2/. Attempt a "Hoot Gibson" manuever - take the model to FL370 and try
applying flaps 5 without slats then retract them abruptly
<wicked grin> and hold tight

Just an Old Dragon

mgchristy · Post by **mgchristy** » 02 Jun 2006, 18:34

Thanks for the professional insight!

Weren't there a slew of accidents in the early days because of crews using the flaps 40 setting?....the old "if I can see the runway, I can land on it" desire coupled with the excessive drag of full flaps?

Maybe I'll have to try and reinstall my old CS model now. It's been off my machine for ages...but I'll give it another shot.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 02 Jun 2006, 18:39

I don't know the exact details but ther were a number of incidents and accident because crews wern't flying them to the exact numbers and settings laid out in the operation manuals.

They had to be more accurate unlike older types wgere they could set up and feel their way to a landing.

Garry

michduncg · Post by **michduncg** » 03 Jun 2006, 23:35

Thanks for the feedback chaps

Enjoy flying the CS 727, but it does annoy me when the SO panel doesn't react when I press Shift + E inflight. You'd think that at 20,000 ft this would cause the cabin pressure warning to coming on - but no!

On the plus side, it is a real challenge to fly, without the luxury of autothrottle and height capture that the HS Trident provides me with!

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