Toby tries rotor wing flight..

John · Post by **John** » 22 May 2006, 19:45

I'm an ex creative director of an ad agency, now I'm a strategic planner in the industry, so I should see the worth, what the artist was striving for... blah blah blah....but all I can see is a load of old tosh!

Sure it's a work of art the other way up and in the air, but this?!?!?!?!?!?

Financial income? Yes. Art? No.

Comeback Damien Hurst all is forgiven (well nearly :-)

Yours

'Angry of Tunbridge Wells'

John

LongHaul · Post by **LongHaul** » 22 May 2006, 21:31

I've done quite a lot of aesthetics and cultural history (which are almost the same thing at Lancaster), and I'm still mystified by the whole modern art thing - an upside-down Wessex is an upside-down Wessex surely? I really don't see what it's meant to represent.

Needless to say, I have been labelled a philistine (and much worse) for such 'reactionary' views, but it kind of reassured me that I was still sane and I would be going back to my own, sensible courses soon!

Chris558 · Post by **Chris558** » 22 May 2006, 21:50

Mmm, well, if it had been Australia, (not Austria) then maybe.

:roll:

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 23 May 2006, 01:12

LongHaul wrote:I've done quite a lot of aesthetics and cultural history (which are almost the same thing at Lancaster), and I'm still mystified by the whole modern art thing.....

I agree with you LongHaul. Back in pre-history (before the first powered flight) artists were judged as much by there skill as there artistic vision. With the modern art, skill does not seam to be a factor. I have always thought 'degree of difficulty' should be a factor in judging art, not just if it made you think.

Any yahoo can take a canvas and paint it all one color, or even turn a Wessex upside down. The art here is not the piece itself, its convincing the museum curator that its art in the first place.

Seaking · Post by **Seaking** » 23 May 2006, 11:44

What a waste of a good old bird, and this is supposed to "art" what a load of old twaddle !!

I guess someone somewhere layed on a whole bunch of flannel to arrange this, things like this just don't sit right with me.

I remember a guy in the UK years ago, he displayed a large corn flakes packing box, and called it art.

No offense inteded here, but to see a wessex that probably had a great history "laid to rest" in that fashion..........I guess it takes all sorts to make the world go round. JMO

As a note to my post, I just read up on this, at least looks like she will be returning to the helicopter museum, so that is good news on the end of it all.

http://www.hmfriends.org.uk/brisgatbzbig.htm

jamesstables · Post by **jamesstables** » 23 May 2006, 11:56

Remember it will be going back to weston in a few months and there is a significant amount of money going towards the museum. I was thinking the same about it being pointless and had assumed it was more of a publicity stunt than anything else but since hearing about the income for the museum who cares if its art or not if it benefits classic british helicopters.

Angus · Post by **Angus** » 23 May 2006, 11:58

Modern Art is a load of b*llocks - if it doesn't involve talent and skill it's not art. I would love to be at the opening of a large "modern art" project one day, so that when the "artist" is talking their usual crap about how it "challenges" perceptions (or in other words how they haven't got any talent whatsoever because if they had then they would have actually been able to paint a decent picture), I could express my views on modern art in no uncertain terms to the so-called artist.

Art isn't meant to challenge your perceptions or make you think it's something different - that's just the excuse the "artists" give for the fact that you take one look at their work and think "that's absolutely sh*t". Art is meant to look attractive and appealing and actually make the world a more pleasant place to be in, not give these people who desperately need psychological help a chance to "express" their twisted views.

britishtourer · Post by **britishtourer** » 23 May 2006, 12:05

Modern art is rubbish!

Sawn up sheep, tinned excrement, a pile of bricks, a piece of paper with a hole in it...

Avant-Garde-Aclue · Post by **Avant-Garde-Aclue** » 23 May 2006, 20:39

As a semi professional artist I'm tempted to post some of my work here to get your constructive comments LOL

Its modern art, created within the last two years which I suppose makes it either modern or contemporary, take your pick.

Sean

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 23 May 2006, 21:07

If its in an improvement over an upside down helicopter or an un-made bed with soiled undies or half a cow, which I'm sure it is, then why not

I'm a great fan of the work of Maurits Cornelius Escher, which I regard as 'modern'; because it is very clever and still displays that he considerable "conventional" artistic ability. Something a lot of "modern artists" lack. All they're good at is convincincing a few people who fall for piles of bricks, or that famous painting "red on black" (or is it black on red?), that because they claim to 'understand' the meanings of these "works of art," that they somehow exist on some higher artistic plain, which then rewards the "artist" with lots of hard cash that they can walk all the way to the bank with.....

I digress... if I havent scared you too much, I'll keep my mind open and if you choose to post anything I'd be pleased to see it and try and approach it from a more objective point of view