BAe146 / Avro RJ

[DaveB]

One for VAers..

If you do a second flight straight after the first.. keeping the sim open.. you don't get the fuel discrepancy on the second flight. Not ideal I know but one to note for now

ATB
DaveB

[Airspeed]

You folks are real purists, aren't you?
I checked out some references to the differences, and prima facie there appear to be few, the RJ being a later development of the 146.
There are also freeware versions of the 146 for FSX, but you want to buy one.
I can only imagine that these don't have the requisite number of bells and whistles?
Is it you VA pilots that are waiting for the new one, and what happens if you port it over?
If it's the paint that worries you, don't forget that a lot of freeware can be repainted.
I do learn something from this forum daily, and I hope today will be no exception.
Rarely, for me, this post is not an attempted joke.

[DaveB]

Hi Mike

I think the secret.. the mystery if you will, of the 146 is that it's become a 'Holy Grail' for many of us here. We're blessed with what I consider to be the very best freeware models of their type in existence and those that don't quite fit in with that profile now, we've grown up with.. they're part of the family. DM's jets.. the Trident, VC10, One-Eleven, Comet.. these are the best you can possibly get and bang up to date for FS9. Garry's CL-44 and Bristol Freighter.. likewise. Rick's old but still very capable piston and turbo props are unique examples, the majority of which have not been made before and while the models may be old, Fraser continues to breath new life into them with his panel/sound updates. Derek's Dove and HP42.. DaveG's brilliant Hunters and Rapides for FS9 updated for FSX. There's almost everything a boy could need all under one roof

One aircraft has eluded us over the years.. the 146. Best of the bunch back in 2002 was considered the payware Eurowings model. It had a smashing panel and the model looked right but the texture map was a nightmare! This moved across to FS9 but was quirky enough to remain hangared. Freeware models were also here and could be mated to very capable panels but all the boxes were not ticked. Those who could tolerate the accuracy of the panel often found the models lacking in some respect. Some who could tolerate the model found the panel too quirky so once more, it's use as a package became limited.. similar in many ways to the various Concordes that have been made over the years. Some are cheap and cheerful and will get you from A to B.. others were neither cheap nor cheerful and required a fortnights groundschool just to get into the air. The secret is finding the balance.. the right balance be it a freeware or payware model and the winner will be the one which ticks the most boxes for the most people. Does it look right, does it sound right, is the panel good, does it fly well.. these I think are the 4 areas we all look at.. certainly I do and the more boxes that get ticked, the more likely it is that the model won't find itself in file 13! This can be painful (costly) with payware as for the most part.. the first time you get your hands on one is the second after you've handed over money so if anything isn't quite right, you're out of pocket and disappointed. With freeware, it's simply cost the price of the telephone line download and easily deposited in file 13. Better to be disappointed than disappointed and out of pocket

So.. the 146 is one such model. In the absence of a 'viable' freeware version, one has to look at whatever is out there.. in this case it's payware. We're careful to throw detailed info at one another here so if someone buys a product, we know we can ask the right questions and make an informed judgement on the replies because we trust them. Sometimes you find yourself drawn like a moth to a flame.. you've been told a product is so-so but your heart really wants one so you buy it anyway and suffer the same disappointment I can't recall any time where duff advice has been given so if you want something.. you suffer the consequences, good or bad of ignoring or accepting the advice You have to want the model of course. If you're borderline, it's much easier to resist

Right.. back to the drawing board. Hope this answers your question

ATB
DaveB

[TSR2]

Hi Mike,

Its also worth pointing out that there never has been a 146 (or Avro for that matter) for FSX. There still isn't at this stage although it is coming

[Airspeed]

Thanks Dave
Must admit that am forever seeking that additional bit of realism in both aircraft and scenery.
On top of this, the seemingly deliberate destruction of the British aircraft industry by the government would make a BAe success, a holy grail.

[Airspeed]

Hi Mike,

Its also worth pointing out that there never has been a 146 (or Avro for that matter) for FSX. There still isn't at this stage although it is coming

G'day Ben,
Don't want to disagree, as I'll finish up with egg on my face...... but the great interest in the 146 made me actually read about it.
How it flies without a propellor on the front is still a mystery to me.
Over at Flightsim.com they have a freeware 146. I'll let you experts investigate. It's probably an Airbus or one of your favourite flying Bongs repainted to look the part.

[TSR2]

Hi Mike,

Its a port over from the FS9 one from what I remember, unless this is one that's been released in the past year or so, in which case I missed it

[DaveB]

Indeed mate.. indeed

Ben.. looking at the cfg for the RJ, it does have coordinates for the tanks.. all 3 are visible in ACM. They're not in the wings though granted.. well, not by much anyway As they stand.. all 3 have 3 tanks.. 2 x 1372.2 (L/R) and 1 x 675.. all useable fuel. Having setup the model with dispatcher to have full tanks then finding it didn't want to stay in the air after taking fuel from the client, I changed the distance value in dispatcher to 500nm then set the tanks to match.. again using dispatcher. This gave 3740kg. Interestingly.. 2 x 1372.2 + 1 x 675 gives 3419.4 which doesn't equate to anything! For sure, something clever is going on here

ATB
DaveB

[WhisperJet]

You folks are real purists, aren't you?
I checked out some references to the differences, and prima facie there appear to be few, the RJ being a later development of the 146.

Hi Mike,

Dave has summed it up perfectly!
As for the purist-thing let me add: for my taste a cockpit needs as little glass as the windshield and the gauge covers. The less electronics the better - here's why I wait for the 146 (hoping reality is well reflected in the model).

Moreover the qwsim 146 is the first model offering a fully functional VC - which for me is an important fact for using a model. Again - we're extremely spoilt by the developers here: most aircraft have even more than all the usual bells and whistles, fabulous VCs at great frame rates. This place here isn't about virtual skies, it's about virtual heaven! And most FS9 payware models I know must follow a long and winding road until they can rival the freeware offered here! In my hangar most of them are stored on the virtual ground - while the 1-11, the Trident and the Budgie keep flying...

Anyway - I look forward to downloading the 146 with VC when it's released.

Cheers,

Nick

[DaveB]

Ben..

I'm not sure what the heck is going on here but I've booked a flight today.. the client reported the correct amount of fuel tanked and gave me the right amount. Why it's working today and it didn't yesterday is anyones guess! Still.. 2 correct refuels isn't cause to get the flags out yet

ATB
DaveB