FSX & BRITSTUFF

[timholyoake]

FS9 was fab. I had Yorks, Vangaurds, Growlers etc etc. Then FS X (10) arrives . it is SOOOO much better. Except that all the commercial stuff is from the colonies ( Boeing, Lockheed etc etc). Where are the old brit props?. The very best are here at CBFS. But as far as I know these are FS9 ports. does anyone know where I can get FSX written for FSX and therefore containing all the FSX goodies, types. from?

I don't want to upset any of the guys here who write these aircraft. I Honestly believe that they are genius. But they write for FS9. As such the VC is not as good, and spec textures are missing etc. that is not their fault. it is the sim that they write for.

I even bit the bullet and tried to reload MAAM-SIM DC3 which although from "The other side" was a great aircraft. But the graphics (written for FS9 ) are not up to FS X (10) and modern hard ware.

I love my B377 and my Connie. My Cat is stunning. BUT IT'S NOT A YORK . IT'S NOT a VC10 . IT'S NOT a DH RAPIDE/EXPRESS . and most of all IT'S NOT a VC9.

or am I getting it all wrong (As usual). I freely admit that I am none too clever where these computers are concerned . But I do like the old BRIT PROPS and Jets

[DaveB]

Hi TIm

Not sure how to respond really. You've hit the proverbial nail on the head (to some degree) and highlighted why many won't go to FSX fulltime. Their favourite aircraft are FS9 (perhaps some FS8 to FS9) and while some of these will port over ok, some won't and none will have all the bells and whistles made available by the new pretender. The problem with FSX is that for all these 'bells and whistles' to be made available to the end user, the gestation period is many times longer than it was in all previous versions and TIME is something rare. You either have it or you don't.

The likes of Rick and DaveG are and have only been modelling for FSX for some time now (pop to our library and pick up DG's native FSX Rapide which is now a couple of years old plus his Auster J1 and Hunters ). For Rick to remake his Viscount, Vanguard, Herald, JP5, Meteor, Argosy, Viking-Valetta-Varsity (there must be more) to native FSX with full VC's aint gonna happen any time soon if at all. What is needed is some young blood with the same interest in FSX and for the same aircraft as our guys had for the earlier sims and your wishes may be answered. Otherwise.. I think you can consider (as many of us do now) FS9 was the halcyon days of flightsim for aircraft of a certain type

ATB

DaveB

[TSR2]

Hi Tim,

Your a bit wrong and a bit right

Firstly, Dave Garwood and Rick Piper are now exclusively FSX and have been for a good 18 months at least.

I don't think I'd be wrong to say DM is retired (well semi retired) from model making as he has a busy family life these days. But you never know as he is like Lord Lucan

The problem with the comercial aircraft is that they are big, and to do a full VC for something like the Vanguard would take at least 12 months and a similar amount of time for the model itself. All of our guys have day jobs, and its difficult for us mere users of what they produce to appreciate the time it takes to model these aircraft. As an example, the Argosy for FS9 took about 18 months. The 748 was about a year and that was of Rick, Fraser and Garrys time.

When you take things forward to FSX, all of the extra bells and whistles mean it takes at least 150% more time on the VC alone. As an example, Ricks payware Hawk for FSX (released under the Skysim label) took about 14 months, of which almost 10 was for the VC. And we aren't talking a few hours each night either. Typically the combined efforts of those involved in projects such as the 748 for FS9 would exceed 80 hours per week. Thats fine if this is your day job, but when its what you do in between sleeping and working, thats a phenominal workload. I know these figures seem a little hard to believe but having seen the guys in action, I can testify that this is how it is.

I would love a Trident, VC10, Vanguard etc for FSX but the reality is the FS9 ones work beautifly in FSX. OK so there is no bump mapping and no VC on the VC10, but the Trident and 1-11 VC's are superb... still and when you look at Rick and Dave Garwoods recent FSX stuff (Hunters, Beaufighter, Auster, DH89, Hawk, Sycamore and hopefully the Jetstream) There are some cracking FREE FSX models here. Albeit not the big Brits, but I guess we never know what will come.

[EDIT] Dave nipped in there before me

[Garry Russell]

The reason I model for FS.9 is I don't have the equipment to run FS.X

As for the types you mentioned, it is wrong to imply that most of the ones produced here are being 'written' for an older sim as they were made before FS.X existed and many of them originally for FS.2002.

As pointed out there is an awlful lot of time involved in rebuiding the models and if it was not, then it would have been done.

You are talking 2,000 hours+ and also many other hundreds of man hours by other members of the team on various associated support and testing


Why not take up modelling yourself??

[tonymadge]

Why not take up modelling yourself??

Took the words right out of my mouth

Sadly because MS decided to once again change the rules its hard for FS9 aircraft to compete with full blown FSX native models. However VC flying is for pussies So stick it out with a mans sim FS9

[timholyoake]

Firstly let me state for the record that I am in NO WAY denegrating the efforts of the guys who do the free stuff. They are exceptional. and when I was using FS 9 I used their products , and very thankful I was for them too. The hours spent were appreciated. If anyone feels maligned in any way by my post, I grovel desperately in humble apology. It is NOT intended.

I am not QUITE sure I understand the point about not saying that these were made for older sims, then going on to say that they were made for FS9 or even FS98... Ithought that thay WERE older than FSX but maybe I am missing the point . If so plese accept my apologise for that too.

Why don't I do it myself? ... Wish I could, but the plane fact is that I haven't the foggyest idea of how to. Nor am I good enough to do it. But I WOULD love to use a full spec FSX VC10 , Britannia, York, VC9. which are as yet unavailable. I use a lot of D.M.s stuff in FSX and it is EXCELLENT. The VC10 is far superior to the payware version.

I am not out to nit pick or to upset. I am only asking if it is poss to get hold of some. Stonking great prop driven 50s + 60s Brit Heavy Metal... By the answers that I am getting I get the point that it is not, and may never be.

But if manfred is reading this , your York is fab. But full spec FSX it could be better than sex.... well... nearly as good anyway.

[TSR2]

Hi Tim, I didn't think you were being ungreatful at all. It was a genuine question. Its just difficult for non modelers such as myself to realise how long these things take, particularly in FSX and unless its your job its a massive undertaking... but you never know