CL-44-O Guppy

[Chris558]

But it did have lovely Tynes though....incompatible I suppose for Superb, Dave?

[Garry Russell]

The Tynes on the Vanguards are similar to those on the Belfast. There is not real compatability with any Tynes on other aircraft.

Garry

[skeating]

What is clear in them is the APU exhaust on the leeft side of the tail

Sorry guys afraid thats not an APU. It is the exhaust for the 60,000(IIRC) BTU Janitrol heater for the horizontal stabilizer de-icing.

Sorry again for not dropping in very often but I don't get the time for FS these days but I do sneak by for a peak here whenever I can.
Back to the CL-44 or the Canadian Edsel as it was sometimes known.
I don't think any of them were fitted with APUs, certainly not the civiy ones. I think they were originally fitted with two Janitrol heaters in the back, one for the vertical and one for the horizontal stabilizer leading edge de-icing. The vertical stab (USA and Canadian for Fin) one was removed as it was found to be unnessecary.
The intake for the heater was a large whole at the base of the fin leading edge and I think it used fuel from the number two fuel tank.
I only used it once and it was quite effective. Some captains would not allow it to be used as they didn't want a bloody great jet fuel burner running inside the fuselage wich they couldn't reach with a fire extinguisher.(it was fitted behind the pressure bulkhead, in a big steel box).

I'm glad to see that someone is tackling the 44 for FS. I recently found my 44 manuals and if they would be of any help I am sure a lone could be arranged.

Transmeridian did carry an "APU" sometime on the 44 but it was not actually fitted to the aircraft, I'm not sure what type it was but it could have been a Palust. It was known as Fat Albert and it was put in the back of the cabin with both the rear doors open and the intake on one door and the exhaust out the other.It only supplied air for starting the Mighty Tynes ( the 44 used air starters and there was no engine cross bleed so all engines had to be started from a ground air supply). Fat Albert was very prone to wet starts and could be relied upon to heat the rear of the cabin quite dramatically and very rapidly. It was also good for getting rid of inquisitive locals gathered around the rear of the the plane to see what the FME ( Transmeridian speak for Loadmaster/ flying spanner) was doing. It"s use was discontinued after several hair raising incidents like setting fire to the door frame and annealling the tailplane leading edge.

Anyway good luck with the CL-44 project it might even entice me back to more FS'ing

Steve

[Garry Russell]

Hi Steve

Thanks for that

I thought it was an APU exhaust because I know of aircraft with them in the tail but it might have been so sort of addition

APU was standard on the Yukon said to be fitted in the nose but I can' see evidence and it was an option on the D4 fitted in the tail from the info I had but nothing on whether any of the three operators that ordered it took that option up or not....perhaps they didn't

There is a large stain on some Yukons on the right hand side so presumably that was the other heater exhausting out of the side of the fin....may have been there on the others but I don't have anything showing on that. Not even common on the Yukon so perhaps that was something not often used.

I do have diagrams for the heater but it did show the exhast only the unit and trunking connecting it to the fin intake which the Argus also had.


Garry

[Garry Russell]

Sorry Steve

I forgot to comment on the manuals

Thanks for the mention

I have the 44D4 OM...901 pages so I think most things are covered unless you have more specific detail.

BTW....loved the Edsel comment

Garry