Tornado and Train

The Crewroom for non-FS related stuff, fun and general chat.

Moderators: Guru's, The Ministry

User avatar
speedbird591
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 4038
Joined: 24 Jun 2004, 05:56
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Contact:

Tornado and Train

Post by speedbird591 »

If you wanted to see a video of the locomotive 'Tornado' you might type those two words into YouTube.

But then you might just get a jaw dropping glimpse of what happens when a real tornado hits a freight train in the US!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azV5bC2br-Q

Ian :o

User avatar
Garry Russell
The Ministry
Posts: 27180
Joined: 29 Jan 2005, 00:53
Location: On the other side of the wall

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by Garry Russell »

Blimey :o

Never thought about the trucks from the back of the train remaining on the track then comming up and colliding :worried:

Thanks for that link Ian

Garry
Garry

Image

"In the world of virtual reality things are not always what they seem."

bigred1970
Victor
Victor
Posts: 242
Joined: 02 Aug 2006, 15:52
Location: Seneca, SC USA about as far NW in South Carolina as you can get.

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by bigred1970 »

that has got to be a really bad feeling for the driver when you see where you are heading and can't really do anything about it....... trains take miles to stop... and I have a feeling that they didn't see the twister till is was right on top of them...... :o

Filonian
Red Arrows
Red Arrows
Posts: 6383
Joined: 27 Nov 2005, 08:08
Location: Gristhorpe, UK

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by Filonian »

Gobsmacked


Graham
Image
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

User avatar
DispatchDragon
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 4925
Joined: 23 Feb 2005, 01:18
Location: On the corner of walk and dont walk somewhere on US1
Contact:

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by DispatchDragon »

very impressive when you consider that was a 120 tonne box car that you can see in the final frames -- and Mama Nature threw it like a toy)


Leif
Image

User avatar
Harry Basset
Victor
Victor
Posts: 231
Joined: 26 Oct 2007, 08:49
Location: Whitby, ENGLAND

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by Harry Basset »

I'm surprised that the rear portion of the train just kept coming along. There was clear space between the derailed cars of the front part so the air brake pipes must have been snapped apart which should cause a full brake application. There were sparks from rail level on the chasing cars so perhaps there was some brake action or a derailed wheelset. There are great weights and forces in US railroading but Nature beats them.

User avatar
speedbird591
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 4038
Joined: 24 Jun 2004, 05:56
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Contact:

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by speedbird591 »

Harry Basset wrote:I'm surprised that the rear portion of the train just kept coming along. There was clear space between the derailed cars of the front part so the air brake pipes must have been snapped apart which should cause a full brake application.
Harry's right, of course. In the UK, air brakes are standard. The brake shoes are forced on to the wheel by spring pressure and are held off by compressed air. So if the air pressure is reduced or removed, the brakes are on by default. If a UK train suffers a 'separation' the rear portion would brake automatically.

I assume that in the US there is a different way of doing it and that must be why their derailments are so much more spectacular! :lol:

Ian

delticbob
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 682
Joined: 19 Aug 2005, 19:15
Location: Doncaster. UK

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by delticbob »

speedbird591 wrote: Harry's right, of course. In the UK, air brakes are standard. The brake shoes are forced on to the wheel by spring pressure and are held off by compressed air. So if the air pressure is reduced or removed, the brakes are on by default. If a UK train suffers a 'separation' the rear portion would brake automatically.

Ian
Nearly right..... I was going to try & explain myself but I though wikpedia would make a better job & supply pictures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_air_brake

You will notice in the YouTube video at 1 min 09 secs a sort of "phut" sound, which is almost certainly the loss of the brake pipe/train pipe pressure as the train divides. The reason why the rear portion seemingly catches the front portion could be down to the increased brake force provided by the locomotive/s plus the increased drag of assorted wagons being dragged behind the locomotive/s.

What ever the reason, it must have been a scary moment for the driver.....sorry ya'll...engineer :doho:

Bob
I can fly now with my fantastic new PC

Scorpius
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 1138
Joined: 21 Apr 2007, 21:49
Location: Bournemouth

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by Scorpius »

Newer passenger trains, particularly multiple units now use a brake wire which is constantly polled as opposed to air hoses. if the pulse does not come back, the brakes are automatically applied.

User avatar
forthbridge
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 1595
Joined: 29 Aug 2007, 13:26
Location: Stirlingshire, UK

Re: Tornado and Train

Post by forthbridge »

This makes quite interesting reading - it exlains the braking..... and what caused this 'runaway'! :o :o :o :o
http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docume ... on1977.pdf
Jim
Image

Post Reply