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Re: payware success?

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The Hawk is a very comercial aircraft, there is no doubt about it. A couple of the chaps in work have either bought it for their sons or there sons have bought it with there pocket money, but everyone I know who has bought its say the website is terible. These are IT gurus, there just two chaps, one a manufacturing guy, and the other a lorry driver. The main skysim pahes lists both the Hawk and the Sea Vixen as "Available Now" on the front page, yet when you click on the pictures (to buy it, which is the obvious thing to do) all you get is a potted history of the aircraft.

For the first 2 weeks after release, if you went to the skysim site and your browser was anything other than 1024 x 768, you wouldn't see the links at the top for the forum, shop etc. How many people went their and couldn't workout how to buy it?
What compounded this issue (and still does) is that the image of the Hawk and Sea Vixen have "Available Now" plastered on them, so even a non idiot would assume that by clicking on the image, you would be taken to were you could buy it... not so, you get a short synopsys of "The Hawk" with no mention of how to buy it and a close window button. Now at this point (as a numpty) I'd be getting a tad frustrated (i know I have a shot fuse at times, but I don't think I'm alone.) The words "Online Store" are burried between the banner subtext and the, highlighted in yellow, "News" heading. It really doesn't grab you. At this point I'd have said f@@k it and left, but lets say, for the benefit of the doubt, I actually made it to the "Shop"

There is a bloody great big jped image and text that links nowhere taking up the top 50% of the page, with the Hawk in with othe "box images" in the lower half of the screen, and no sea Vixen in sight. This really isn't how you push a product.

I know there are a few chaps on here who are marketeers, and I certainly don't profess to be one of them, but it would be interesting to get a professional view of it.

In this instance I think two very good products have been let down by a poor shop front as it were. (although the security system which is very good wasn't available for the Sea Vixen, so piracy has had a huge impact on her.)

As I said above, the Hawk is a very commercial product, maybe not with us, but I know of at least 8 father and or son simmers in work, and as the Hawk is the trusty steed of the Reds, manys a young (and not so young) chap would be interested in this aircraft, but most of these guys are the I'll buy it in "Game" type, and there are many of them, so I'm very surprised that, given the time frame of the Hawks development, proper retail channels weren't developed.
The margin on these will be much less than direct sales, but when your the new kid on the block, its al about getting your name out there. Most of these people won't know who Rick Piper is, let alone have heard of Skysim, so previous reputations mean nowt. However, if they could pick this up in their local "Game" store, then the next release from Skysim might get that... oh, thats the same crowd who made the Hawk, that was great so i'll give this a go, and then... maybe, the time after that, they'll have ventured to the website, and found out how to install repaints... and just maybe, get a direct sale. I think as a comunity of enthusiasts, we for get that there are just as many out there, who never partake in forums or downloads, but do spend there Pounds Dollars and Euros etc in high street stores.... and most of them (believe it or not) will be on FSX.



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The Alphasim C-17 was virtually ready a while ago but has suffered a set back, the extra time taken now should not be reflected in increased price as the work being done is to overcome shortfalls from the set back
Hi Michael

I think you need to ellaborate a bit more on this......... the rumours throughout the community are providing me with an itch that I can't help but scratch

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Hi Ben

It was all over the Alphasim forum (till it was Sensored by Phil) :dunno: that the panel guy has left.

pretty sure thats why the C-17 is on hold.

Rick

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Due to my abruptness and my interpretation of literature violence within the FS community i'm not going to tell you what I know, or even confirm what you know (Sorry Rick old buddy, hope your doing well, long time no speak old chap!)

At the end of the day, regardless payware/freeware/FS9/FSX, we all need to stick together and indentify what we collective know as the truth.

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boeing707 wrote:Due to my abruptness and my interpretation of literature violence within the FS community i'm not going to tell you what I know, or even confirm what you know (Sorry Rick old buddy, hope your doing well, long time no speak old chap!)

At the end of the day, regardless payware/freeware/FS9/FSX, we all need to stick together and indentify what we collective know as the truth.

Rgds

Ben

Reason For Edit: I'm a Dumbass and cannot spell
Ben

If you know what you know then why do you need to know what I know ?, I dont actually have to ellaborate at all, the C-17 is delayed whilst further work is accomplished, I neither speak for or work for Alphasim any more but have seen enough smoke over the years to spot the heart of a blaze reasonably conclusively. I'm confident the C-17 will be finished, just not to the original envisaged time scale.

Rick is correct in what he says, it is also explained at SoH in exactly the same manner, but not edited, though you'll have to dig for that information as its buried in a non related thread :).

Feel free to scratch away, the itch isnt going anywhere fast anytime soon and I agree with rumours, especially ones that could easily be dispelled by those people that can but choose not to, I've yet to fathom why the truth is often so hard to give up ?.

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Michael davies wrote:
Feel free to scratch away, the itch isnt going anywhere fast anytime soon and I agree with rumours, especially ones that could easily be dispelled by those people that can but choose not to, I've yet to fathom why the truth is often so hard to give up ?.

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Michael

I am happy with your answer and thats all I need to know! (anybody got any exzema cream?)

Oh BTW mines salted please guys...........

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Ben (XR219)

You may not be aware but the Skysim front page has been revamped, whilst the images still take you to a small synopsis of the model they still dont take you to the shop, a small icon on each of the planes pages would be helpful I agree. However on the front page you are given a brief text description with a highlighted boxed set or download text which does take you to the shop.

Thus, some efforts have been made to take on board peoples observations, I think in time it will fall into place, after products have been on sale might not be the optimum time but none the less changes are being made.

Regarding piracy, whilst the Sea Vixen was pirated it wasnt pirated any faster or in any greater measure than other recent payware releases, its unkind to say it damaged sales dramtically, all piracy damages sales but the reality is that those that steal probably wont buy anyway. Of the 100% of thieves about 75% are habitual and would never buy, the other 25% are probably drive by thieves who cannot restrain themselves for better or worse, the sort of person who finds a £20 outside a bank and looks around before thinking about pocketing it :).

The whole issue of piracy is hotly contended, it is going on, burying your head in the sand isnt an option, neither is running to the hills when ever its mentioned.

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Michael

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boeing707 wrote:
Michael davies wrote:
Feel free to scratch away, the itch isnt going anywhere fast anytime soon and I agree with rumours, especially ones that could easily be dispelled by those people that can but choose not to, I've yet to fathom why the truth is often so hard to give up ?.

Best

Michael

I am happy with your answer and thats all I need to know! (anybody got any exzema cream?)

Oh BTW mines salted please guys...........

Best regards

Ben
More double entendre LOL, I fully expect another will appear some time soon and steal the march, thats what usually happens in cases like this, itches can only be scratched for so long before some one decides to remove the itch altogether with a replacement product.

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Michael

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Buy the Hawk ! its a very realistic simulation, I am a novice to flt sim, I have never flown any aircraft in my life, but I have flown and landed the Hawk, without autopilot and in VC mode,you have no choice, the landings have been a little shaky but the aircraft was intact. I will get better.I know we all want Skysim to succeed so gents buy their stuff, its very good value for money.

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Just had a quick look at the new Skysim site.... Night and day... what an improvement! Well done to all concerned! :thumbsup:
Michael davies wrote:Ben (XR219)

You may not be aware but the Skysim front page has been revamped, whilst the images still take you to a small synopsis of the model they still dont take you to the shop, a small icon on each of the planes pages would be helpful I agree. However on the front page you are given a brief text description with a highlighted boxed set or download text which does take you to the shop.

Thus, some efforts have been made to take on board peoples observations, I think in time it will fall into place, after products have been on sale might not be the optimum time but none the less changes are being made.

Regarding piracy, whilst the Sea Vixen was pirated it wasnt pirated any faster or in any greater measure than other recent payware releases, its unkind to say it damaged sales dramtically, all piracy damages sales but the reality is that those that steal probably wont buy anyway. Of the 100% of thieves about 75% are habitual and would never buy, the other 25% are probably drive by thieves who cannot restrain themselves for better or worse, the sort of person who finds a £20 outside a bank and looks around before thinking about pocketing it :).

The whole issue of piracy is hotly contended, it is going on, burying your head in the sand isnt an option, neither is running to the hills when ever its mentioned.

Best

Michael
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