Kai Tak from FlyTampa...

[petermcleland]

Ian,

Here is the list of suitable WoA files to edit...I have worded it for less experienced chaps than yourself in case anyone else likes Chek Li Kok


62 WoA Traffic files that contain Flight Plans to VHHH (Chek Li Kok) which can be diverted to VHHX (Kai Tak)...I suggest that you divert one third of all VHHH flightplans to VHHX.

This will reduce the load on VHHH and send in a very suitable amount of AI Traffic for VHHX. Both airports will then be comfortable with the Traffic Slider at 100%.

Remember that each Airports.txt file in the decompiled package (Ttools) must have this added...VHHX,N22* 19.01',E114* 12.11',0
Copy and paste it to underneath the VHHH entry and Save the file then close it. If you forget to do this then you will be reminded when you try to re-compile the package in Ttools after editing the FlightPlans.txt file with your divertions (you will be told that VHHX does not exist).

Traffic_00_WoA_Bangkok Airways_Wi05.bgl
Traffic_000_WoA_Cargolux Airlines International_Su08.bgl
Traffic_000_WoA_East Star Airlines_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_000_WoA_EVA Airways (Cargo)_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_00_WoA_EVA Airways_Su07.bgl
Traffic_00_WoA_Japan Airlines (Cargo)_Su06.bgl
Traffic_00_WoA_Japan Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_00_WoA_Lufthansa Cargo_Wi05.bgl
Traffic_000_WoA_Mandarin Airlines_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_00_WoA_Qantas_Su06.bgl
Traffic_000_WoA_Royal Jordanian_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_09_WoA_NWA_Cargo_Wi05.bgl
Traffic_13_WoA_United Parcel Service_Su07.bgl
Traffic_15_WoA_Xiamen Airlines_Su05.bgl
Traffic_16_WoA_Emirates_Su07.bgl
Traffic_19_WoA_Hong Kong Express_Wi06.bgl
Traffic_25_WoA_KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (Cargo)_Su07.bgl
Traffic_27_WoA_Continental Air Lines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_28_WoA_Shenzhen Airlines_Wi05.bgl
Traffic_42_WoA_Lufthansa_su06.bgl
Traffic_43_WoA_Air India_Su07.bgl
Traffic_52_WoA_Nippon Cargo Airlines_Su06.bgl.dis
Traffic_58_WoA_British Airways_Su06.bgl
Traffic_60_WoA_FedEx_Su05.bgl
Traffic_70_WoA_KLM Royal Dutch Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_74_WoA_CEBU Pacific Air_Su06.bgl
Traffic_77_WoA_Swiss_Wi06.bgl
Traffic_93_WoA_Jetstar Asia_Wi06.bgl
Traffic_110_WoA_Kalitta Air_Su06.bgl
Traffic_111_WoA_Korean Air Lines (Cargo)_Wi06.bgl
Traffic_111_WoA_Korean Air Lines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_116_WoA_Malaysia (Cargo)_Su07.bgl
Traffic_121_WoA_Hong Kong Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_127_WoA_Air France_Su07.bgl
Traffic_129_WoA_Singapore Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_136_WoA_China Eastern Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_137_WoA_Royal Brunei Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_140_WoA_China Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_143_WoA_All Nippon Airways_Su07.bgl
Traffic_150_WoA_Oasis Hong Kong_Su07.bgl
Traffic_153_WoA_Alitalia Cargo_Su07.bgl
Traffic_168_WoA_Malaysia Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_169_WoA_Air Hong Kong_Su07.bgl
Traffic_170_WoA_China Airlines Cargo_Su07.bgl
Traffic_171_WoA_Air New Zealand_Su07.bgl
Traffic_176_WoA_SriLankan Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_177_WoA_Ultimate GA Gulfstream 4_Su07.bgl
Traffic_179_WoA_Qatar Airways_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_183_WoA_Martinair Holland (Cargo)_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_184_WoA_Virgin Atlantic Airways_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_186_WoA_Cathay Pacific Airways (Cargo)_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_187_WoA_Dragonair_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_188_WoA_Cathay Pacific Airways_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_191_WoA_United Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_196_WoA_Turkish Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_198_WoA_Ethiopian Airlines_Su07.bgl
Traffic_201_WoA_Finnair_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_210_WoA_Kenya Airways_Su07.bgl
Traffic_228_WoA_South African Airways_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_234_woa_air canada_wi07_fs9.bgl
Traffic_243_WoA_China Southern Airlines_Wi07.bgl
Traffic_248_WoA_Thai Airways International_Wi07.bgl

For the inexperienced in this business, the above files will be found (if the WoA package is installed) here:-

X:\.................................................\Flight Simulator 9\Scenery\World\scenery

[TSR2]

Thanks for those Peter, I have some already so will down load the rest when I buy it (Kai Tak) at the end of the week.

[speedbird591]

Peter - thanks for posting the list of packages. I've been at work all afternoon and evening, but when I just went to check that I had them all, I found that I have quite a few more airlines at HKG than you have listed. So I checked on the 'airports' section on the World of AI website
http://www.world-of-ai.com/airports.php.

If you search for VHHH it lists 64 WoAI packages that visit the airport. This includes Cargo airlines and business jets.

I'm wondering if you had a reason for not listing them all (perhaps to reduce congestion) or whether you simply missed a few? If you are already busy with 42, then another 22 won't be welcome - except for the landing charges!

BTW. My biggest criticism of the scenery is the pine trees on the hills surrounding the harbour. As you know, pine trees are not natural to Hong Kong and there are no trees at all on the hills - they are quite bare. So the large pine trees in the FlyTampa scenery really spoil the general atmosphere of the view for me. Do you know if all the trees in FS are lumped into one file or are they separated by species? My question being: do you know whether it is possible to delete just the pine trees and leave the rest of the vegetation intact?

Regards

Ian

[TSR2]

Hi Ian,

Re the trees, it really depends how they have een added. If there is a separtate bgl file with them in as part of the package, a quick rename of that file will sort them out. If however they have been compiled in one of the scenery bgl that contains something key, taking them out could take out a lot more besides.

Best bet is to post the question to their support, and explain that you have first hand experience of the area, and if they are reasonable they may will remove them, or at least point you in the direction of how to get rid of them.

[speedbird591]

Thanks for that, Ben. I'll probably take your advice and mention it to their support. It probably seems such a minor point in an otherwise superb package that I sound over-critical, but if you're used to a particular landscape being barren and bare and then unexpectedly see huge pine trees on the peaks it's a bit disconcerting! I was doubting my memory so I did a google image search for Hong Kong and those hills are definitely bare

Cheers

Ian

[petermcleland]

I'm wondering if you had a reason for not listing them all (perhaps to reduce congestion) or whether you simply missed a few? If you are already busy with 42, then another 22 won't be welcome - except for the landing charges!

BTW. My biggest criticism of the scenery is the pine trees on the hills surrounding the harbour. As you know, pine trees are not natural to Hong Kong and there are no trees at all on the hills - they are quite bare. So the large pine trees in the FlyTampa scenery really spoil the general atmosphere of the view for me. Do you know if all the trees in FS are lumped into one file or are they separated by species? My question being: do you know whether it is possible to delete just the pine trees and leave the rest of the vegetation intact?

Well Ian...I do have all those packages and the other 22 will be using CLK, but I was not aware of that method of finding a WoA airlines to an airport so I just went to CLK and strolled around making an airlines list from all I saw the I changed the time by four hours and strolled around again adding to the list...I repeated this a few times but obviously those 22 were not on the ground at the times that I looked. I'm very happy now with the 100% density of Traffic at both airports now so I'll leave it as is.

With regards to the Pines...I suspect they are Autogen and you could easily check this by pulling your Autogen slider to zero and seeing if they disappear. If they are Autogen then they could only really be banished with a Landclass file.

[speedbird591]

Thanks again, Peter. I still haven't decided what to do with my AI. I think I might send ALL the WoAI passenger traffic back to VHHH and leave the cargo at VHHX along with my classics and RAF. Then if I get lonely, I'll do what you've done and split it in thirds.

The trees are definitely autogen and disappear when I turn the slider to off, so I'll live with it. I don't have much time to look at the scenery, anyway. But just as an illustration here is a comparison.




I'll mention it on the FlyTampa support forum when it lets me register, but I'm not too bothered.

Ian

[petermcleland]

I notice two Green and White Star Ferries in your photo...That is how I remember them but I have not noted any green and white ships in the Fly Tampa scenery...I must look more closely. Surely they must be there!

BTW...I travel free on the Star Ferries

Excellent comparative shots Ian :flying:

[speedbird591]

I'm sure I saw a Star ferry at the Central terminal and I think there was one at the Kowloon terminal as well. As you say, no Hong Kong scene is complete without at least a couple of them ploughing across the harbour! I think it is one of the really great experiences of life - to cross the harbour in a Star ferry. Everybody should try to do it before they die! The traffic in the harbour is unbelievable and how there aren't several collisions a day, I have no idea.

So how come you get to travel for nothing? Not that it costs much anyway - I seem to remember it was about 5p second class and 10p first class but I expect inflation has hit it now! Do you have a special pass or something? What a status symbol!

Speaking of harbour traffic, that's the other unreal part of the scenery - it is so deserted and the AI ships seem to make it feel more so. Obviously, you'd need a super computer to run the amount of traffic that the real harbour hosts, but it's a shame there isn't more static stuff like the thousands of sampans in the typhoon shelters.

Cheers

Ian

[DaveB]

I think it is one of the really great experiences of life - to cross the harbour in a Star ferry.

Yes indeed although my memories of the experience are not as joyful as one would hope for. Twas in HK over XMAS 74/75 on HMS Blake and we had the misfortune to meet up with a gang of merchant sailors in Kowloon who'd just paid off. Much booze and very little sleep later.. I awoke to see the time at 0810 leaving me and my 4 amigo's terribly adrift (AWOL put another way) and I remember us all looking across at the Blake.. sh1t scared of what would happen to us as we bobbed across HK harbour.

In the end.. we needn't have worried. 4 days leave and 2 days pay was all we got (the ship was under sailing orders) Next port of call was Borneo towit a 2 day steam and a 3 day visit meant only one day ashore (not that there's a great deal to see anyway unless you like trees)

Ah.. the exuberance of youth

ATB

DaveB :tab: