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Hi Folks
Pielstick wrote:Paul - yep there is a fair bit of rust there.
You can blame that on the Choff
who was more concerned with running everyone else's departments
than looking after HIS deck.
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More a comment on s/builder coating persistance, (lack of).

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b) From derrick top of a DPos drillship (and upper bar of Taj Mahal Tower).

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Brilliant pics, thanks for sharing. Love the pics of the Merlin and the RAS. Brings back memories for RAS, rigging the shutes down both lifts on the Ark Royal so we could slid huge sacks of everything down for storage.

Was always a dream for me to get a RFA flight draft, never did happen lol.......got nailed with the Ark a second time.
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I have a question about RASing if I may. How many RASs can be carried out before the tanker needs to be replenished itself? The only RAS I've seen at close hand was when we were on our way down to the Falklands in '82. I can't remember the name of the RFA ship, but we were on the Rangatira (or Rangatraz as it quickly became known!).

Thanks, Pielstick, for a great set of photos. Fascinating stuff :welldone:
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I can't remember the exact cargo capacity off the top of my head, but during a four month period we loaded cargo three times - Loch Striven, Djibouti and Fujairah. On each occasion we loaded about 6,000cz of marine gas oil ("dieso" or "F76"). We would also load around 1,000cz of aviation fuel ("AVCAT" or "F44"). We also did a pump-over with Bayleaf at sea of about 3,000cz, but it was a swap, we gave them our UK-spec cargo and we took their locally sourced cargo. We also had the capability to produce fresh water and could carry about 400cz in cargo fresh water tanks. Exactly how much all that cargo lasts depends on how many RASes we do and how thirsty the warships are. On at least two occasions Illustrious took over 1,000cz of F76, and I can remember one American destroyer (either the Russell or the Cole) taking 600cz. Most RASes however are less than 500cz. We also take our own bunkers from the cargo, Wave Knight's bunker capacity being around 1,400cz.

Exactly how fast we can RAS depends on how competent the XO is (he is the one controlling the cargo operation during the RAS) and how confident he is in his equipment, and of course how fast the receiver can take it. The cargo pumps on Wave Knight can pump at about 600cz/hour, but we very rarely pumped at that rate. I can remember Edinburgh had problems with their pipelines, and the MEO wasn't happy for us to pump over to them at anything more than 50cz/hour, and even then they were very nervous. Then of course the Pakistani frigates in the pics had problems too, and they seemed to be spilling as much dieso into the sea as went into their bunker tanks. Eventually the Chief Engineer on Wave Knight called a stop to the evolution as he wasn't happy with filling the Indian Ocean with our cargo :) We can RAS up to three ships at a time, with one on either side and one astern. The MCA really doesn't like the idea of us doing a stern RAS though and the capability is there only if we really need it. I have only ever seen two stern RASes before and they were both dry hook-ups (i.e. just for training, no fuel was pumped). We did attempt to do a stern RAS with Fort Austin with a token 15cz of F76 but it was a complete disaster. The pipework from the cargo pump to the stern RAS rig had been blanked off and we had to put the bobin piece back in, and when the XO fired up the pump the bobin piece leaked very badly and we flooded the compartment with F76. The RAS was abandoned and it was decided not to listen to the XO any more when he has any bright ideas about stern RASes :)

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Hi Pielstick :)

Figures quoted online for Wave Class RFA's indicate 16,000 cubic metres max for dieso though what in gods name this means in real money, I've no idea. I always had problems with square feet let alone cubic metres :lol:

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Lovely shots... you'll be putting some of the 'Phots' to shame!

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DaveB wrote: I always had problems with square feet :tab:
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It's ok mate.. I have a foot pump :o :worried:

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Pielstick. Many thanks for your explanation. Just one thing: What's a cz? It's a unit I'm not familiar with.
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It's a short hand form of "cubic metre". In everday speak we usually refer to it as "cubes" or "tonnes", but to be precise 1cz of dieso or avcat doesn't weigh one tonne!

Cruising at 12-14 knots Wave Knight will burn around 35-40cz of dieso per day. At maximum speed - 22 knots - we burn upwards of 90cz per day. I shudder to think how much that would cost at current pump prices :o

Back in 2005 when I was a cadet on Brambleleaf we used to spend a lot of time going up and down a line between Plymouth and Portland not doing anything useful. One night on watch I worked out we were burning the equivalent of £12,000 (at the then pump prices) PER DAY doing absolutely sod all :dunno:
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