Hi Garry
So the doors need to be removed and the rear left open ?.
Regards
Rick
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Hi Rick
I have no info apart from the pic I just goggled to give you an idea as Rich is in the Philippines so may not be around for a while. I remembered para-dropping without the rear doors fitted.
On the pic you can see a wind deflector.
I think it was quite a simple mod.
Garry
I have no info apart from the pic I just goggled to give you an idea as Rich is in the Philippines so may not be around for a while. I remembered para-dropping without the rear doors fitted.
On the pic you can see a wind deflector.
I think it was quite a simple mod.
Garry
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Hi Garry
I will add a pair of deflectors.
got the flaps working now as they had been neutered in the aircraft.cfg by someone adding the damage speeds to 0.0 for all angles.
Added the #4 engine to the VC view but having flown it i know why Ralph left it out as you can't see that one
I think i will add some textures to all the glass then it will be ok in FSX too.
the model is very good for when Ralph made it in 2002
i would say better than any of my models from that time by abour 200%
Come on Ralph get modelling mate
I need Rich to tell me what he wants visible in the VC view (load area as there is no hatchway etc between the two currently)
Regards
Rick
I will add a pair of deflectors.
got the flaps working now as they had been neutered in the aircraft.cfg by someone adding the damage speeds to 0.0 for all angles.
Added the #4 engine to the VC view but having flown it i know why Ralph left it out as you can't see that one
I think i will add some textures to all the glass then it will be ok in FSX too.
the model is very good for when Ralph made it in 2002
i would say better than any of my models from that time by abour 200%
Come on Ralph get modelling mate
I need Rich to tell me what he wants visible in the VC view (load area as there is no hatchway etc between the two currently)
Regards
Rick
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snave
No, it was the tail lowering, not the tone lowering, Piper...kit wrote:The only Beverley I knew who fulfilled that spec wasn't built by Blackburn...... :redface:snave wrote:Ohh Beverley - big bird with a propensity to lie on her back with her legs spread...
and can anyone remember why? :think:
The background is that the Beverley was originally designed and developed by the General Aircraft Ltd in Feltham, Middlesex in response to Air Ministry C3/36 issued in 1946. By the time the two contracted prototypes were in hand, in 1948, Blackburn had merged with GAL and it was decided to cancel the second prototype, and move the first example to Blackburns factory at Brough.
There, a typical `Men in Suits` error occurred - no-one had thought to measure the hangar doors at Brough, and of course, the Beverley tail was too tall to fit through... Until some bright spark (it wouldn't have been a man in a suit) had the simple idea of tipping the aircraft on its tail, and sliding it in under the door on its broad main undercarriage. Hence the `lie on her back and spread her legs` analogy.
There was a very interesting topic on the Beverely on pprune, which also mentions the `Elephant Ears`:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76608
Ee by gum, them's practical types oop north, tha knows.
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Hi Simon
I spent most of my Childhood playing in the old General AC factory at Hanworth Air Park.
it later became the Pathfinder Factory for Airpor firetrucks but was empty from about 1960 to 69 when i used to play in it.
Also was UK Beach Buggy place in 70-73 so that was fun as we used to pinch the old VW Beetle bonnets and take them up to Box Hill to use as summer tobogans but they where too fast as you might imagine and i ended up in Hospital more than once.
Ah those where the days
Regards
Rick
I spent most of my Childhood playing in the old General AC factory at Hanworth Air Park.
it later became the Pathfinder Factory for Airpor firetrucks but was empty from about 1960 to 69 when i used to play in it.
Also was UK Beach Buggy place in 70-73 so that was fun as we used to pinch the old VW Beetle bonnets and take them up to Box Hill to use as summer tobogans but they where too fast as you might imagine and i ended up in Hospital more than once.
Ah those where the days
Regards
Rick
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snave
Ah! Good old Box Hill.
Me biker, me rememberum Box Hill with railway carriage for teas. None of that `cafeteria` rubbish. Although if truth be told, Ryka's still do the best burgers in Surrey... As a yoof I remember standing on top of the Hill looking down on a fast-moving Harrier. Magic!
...kind of a shame I'm in the New Forest now... can't get a decent burger round here unless you go the pub. :-({|=
Me biker, me rememberum Box Hill with railway carriage for teas. None of that `cafeteria` rubbish. Although if truth be told, Ryka's still do the best burgers in Surrey... As a yoof I remember standing on top of the Hill looking down on a fast-moving Harrier. Magic!
...kind of a shame I'm in the New Forest now... can't get a decent burger round here unless you go the pub. :-({|=
Rick,
That looks positively awesome! Just like I remember them way back then.
Re the ramps, I'm not quite sure why they retract up into the roof. On real Bevs the ramps were usually left behind after loading but sometimes they carried some more rudimentary affairs in with the loads. They were just rectangular channels as I remember, not curved ones as in the original model, and they were stored tipped up on their edges against the side of the hold.
I can almost see a shadowly version of me standing in the back of the hold just about to throw out the drogue, with the loadmster yelling in my ear 'Give it a good sling or it'll blow back in again and we'll miss the DZ!'
When 47 Sqdn had the first Bevs at Abingdon there were no hangars in the entire RAF large enough to take them. While they were building some they had two HUGE canvas tent like things to cover just the front end of the aircraft to service the engines with the tails sticking out.
That looks positively awesome! Just like I remember them way back then.
Re the ramps, I'm not quite sure why they retract up into the roof. On real Bevs the ramps were usually left behind after loading but sometimes they carried some more rudimentary affairs in with the loads. They were just rectangular channels as I remember, not curved ones as in the original model, and they were stored tipped up on their edges against the side of the hold.
I can almost see a shadowly version of me standing in the back of the hold just about to throw out the drogue, with the loadmster yelling in my ear 'Give it a good sling or it'll blow back in again and we'll miss the DZ!'
When 47 Sqdn had the first Bevs at Abingdon there were no hangars in the entire RAF large enough to take them. While they were building some they had two HUGE canvas tent like things to cover just the front end of the aircraft to service the engines with the tails sticking out.
Regards
Kit
Kit
Rick, you are a marvel, from what I remember from the 3 flights in Bev's access to the flight deck was via a ladder as was the access to the tail boom passenger compartment, not sure if the hold could be seen from the flight deck.
Kevin Kelleher did a new airfile, paint and panel for the Bev and probably knows more about it than anyone here as his father was a Bev pilot though he has'nt posted for a while. Hopefully he will pop up soon to give some clues for a VC, I never use VC, prefer side views.
As to what to put in as a load, practicaly anything as I have seen pics of them in Aden unloading road graders and rollers, maybe a couple of landrovers ?
You and Garry seem to have it pretty much done it looks fine to me, never saw one with the doors off close up though my first flight in one was from Singapore to Borneo, we had loaded up and taxied to the runway engines run up for take off, big bang, lots of smoke and bits falling off the right outer, engine off and back to the ramp to disembark to wait till the RAF replaced the doors and seats in the only other availiable Bev there which was set up for heavy drop, Date FRIDAY 13th of august 65,last record on the trannie before battery removal, The Legions Last Patrol which was very pop at that time.
Not entirley sure about whether the ramps were carried in that config, maybe not as they would not be needed for the drop.
Sorry for sleeping while you were working, you have done a excellent job as allways, far quicker than I expected, The Bev was a nice aircraft in it's own way and as you said Ralphs original model is excellent and deserves updating/expanding, just wish someone could do a decent paint of the mess I made of 106 it's too clean and I am not up to engine soot, dirt and wear.
Looking forward to the end result, Rick Many Mant thanks for your work
Kevin Kelleher did a new airfile, paint and panel for the Bev and probably knows more about it than anyone here as his father was a Bev pilot though he has'nt posted for a while. Hopefully he will pop up soon to give some clues for a VC, I never use VC, prefer side views.
As to what to put in as a load, practicaly anything as I have seen pics of them in Aden unloading road graders and rollers, maybe a couple of landrovers ?
You and Garry seem to have it pretty much done it looks fine to me, never saw one with the doors off close up though my first flight in one was from Singapore to Borneo, we had loaded up and taxied to the runway engines run up for take off, big bang, lots of smoke and bits falling off the right outer, engine off and back to the ramp to disembark to wait till the RAF replaced the doors and seats in the only other availiable Bev there which was set up for heavy drop, Date FRIDAY 13th of august 65,last record on the trannie before battery removal, The Legions Last Patrol which was very pop at that time.
Not entirley sure about whether the ramps were carried in that config, maybe not as they would not be needed for the drop.
Sorry for sleeping while you were working, you have done a excellent job as allways, far quicker than I expected, The Bev was a nice aircraft in it's own way and as you said Ralphs original model is excellent and deserves updating/expanding, just wish someone could do a decent paint of the mess I made of 106 it's too clean and I am not up to engine soot, dirt and wear.
Looking forward to the end result, Rick Many Mant thanks for your work
Rich