Tiger...

[Rick Piper]

Hi Peter

Yes the Old Hindsight Chestnut......................

Regards
Rick

[petermcleland]

Hi Peter

Yes the Old Hindsight Chestnut......................

Regards
Rick

Well...It's pretty enough but I just hate the way it flies...No resemblance to the real aeroplane...Wonder what it would be like with your Chippy .air file???

[Rick Piper]

Hi Peter

I thought the fde on the tiger was by Gerry Beckwith ?.

Maybe somthing got overwritten when JF packaged it up as Gerry's air files are always 100%.

I actually use Flight Dynamics workbook & Airwrench to make my FDE's which are both by Gerry.

So my guess is something got switched by Accident.

thats my guess.
Hopefully there will be lots of support questions and the FDE will get fixed.

Visually the model is excellent.

Regards
Rick

[ianhind]

Just to complete the information. The "Australian" one is by Warwick Carter, avaiable here

http://www.gjsmith.net/Textures/tigermoth.htm

and probably elsewhere.

[JohnWillimas]

Well, I'd encourage anyone with concerns to make their views known on the Just Flight Forum.

Here's the reply I got for querying the flight model:-

"The flight model has been tested by real world Tiger Pilots and we made changes to the model with their feedback - the DH Moth Club and the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum have both endorsed the product and both organisations have flown the software - not sure what else we can do to convince you it is authentic. How many real world Tiger Moths have you flown to base your "Seriously dodgey" comments on?"

Perhaps "seriously dodgey" was a bit strong on my part - some aspects are OK in my view - the take off, climb out and the stall seem pretty good to me. The turn, however, is rubbish as Peter says.

I find it hard to imagine that any real world Tiger pilot who had flown anything else in FS (and that may be the reason...) could endorse this....

Looking back at the time AH spent getting this model released I have a concern that there won't be anything done about fixing it soon.

I'm with Peter on the timing of the demo, it would have saved me twenty quid too.

[petermcleland]

Well, I'd encourage anyone with concerns to make their views known on the Just Flight Forum.

Here's the reply I got for querying the flight model:-

"The flight model has been tested by real world Tiger Pilots and we made changes to the model with their feedback - the DH Moth Club and the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum have both endorsed the product and both organisations have flown the software - not sure what else we can do to convince you it is authentic. How many real world Tiger Moths have you flown to base your "Seriously dodgey" comments on?"

Perhaps "seriously dodgey" was a bit strong on my part - some aspects are OK in my view - the take off, climb out and the stall seem pretty good to me. The turn, however, is rubbish as Peter says.

I find it hard to imagine that any real world Tiger pilot who had flown anything else in FS (and that may be the reason...) could endorse this....

Looking back at the time AH spent getting this model released I have a concern that there won't be anything done about fixing it soon.

I'm with Peter on the timing of the demo, it would have saved me twenty quid too.

I simply do NOT believe the part in italics...It is just not conceivable that any pilot with experience of flying the real thing could have ignored that chunk of inside aileron sticking up throughout the turns...I'm afraid they are just telling "Porky Pies".

[Quixoticish]

I've just had a bash of the demo and having never flown anything in real life even I think it feels wrong.

The sound package also sounds exactly like the one packaged with Rick's Chippie, is this just a coincidence?

[Hot_Charlie]

I simply do NOT believe the part in italics...It is just not conceivable that any pilot with experience of flying the real thing could have ignored that chunk of inside aileron sticking up throughout the turns...I'm afraid they are just telling "Porky Pies".

Unfortunately I imagine lots of these products are shoved in front of a pilot for 5 minutes for them to go "Yeah, that's fine". Then someone like Ed from Plane Design comes alongs, develops proper FDs using experience test pilots (those who are trained to describe fkying characteristics exactly in both technical and lay terms) and people complain that it's unrealistic and unflyable (not realising of course that the real Spitfire XVI doesn't have a LogiSaitek Wingman spring-centred joystick!)

[Rick Piper]

Hi Chris

yes i was not happy about the sounds.

I resampled all the Mike Hambly sounds with permission & AH seem to have used my resampled sounds with a new sound.cfg.

But they must have got permission from mike Hambly.

but i didn't see his name anywhere (not looked hard)

Have deleted the Tiger now as it's not going to get fixed from what i can gather as it's "Perfect" already

Regards
Rick

[Rick Piper]

Hi Guys

I see it like this. (no offence to non FSimming pilots)

Most real pilots are overwhelmed with what they see in FS9 FSX if they are not regular users.

as soon as they see it it's perfect & finished. :dance:

you need someone like Peter that is a real pilot and has enough experience in FS to know what the boundaries are & what can & cannot be replicated into this illusion of flying.

As flying in FS good fun though it is, is not real or realistic in the true sense , although it's generally improving each time.

if you have ever been in a small light aircraft you will know exactly what i am getting at.

I have never thrown up while flightsimming.

Threw up in a JP & A Strikemaster (whoops! & a Hercules

Now who wants to take me up in their plane :roll:

Barf>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Regards
Rick