Classic British Flight Sim

Hello fellow virtual aviators

I'm being a bit idle so wonder if any of you Trident pilots who use FSNav could impart their FSNav aircraft settings on me please :-$ Could any reply indicate if they include a 'safety margin' or if they're short

Should anyone be interested.. I can post my FSNav aircraft settings here but be warned.. there is only one jet amongst them.. the Comet4B. Most of you will already have worked out a satisfactory set of figures but there will be other folk who are considering an aircraft and don't want to go through the hours of adjusting to get a decent figure

My current type ratings are..
Dh89 Rapide
Dh104 Dove
DC3
Vickers Viking
Airspeed Ambassador
Vickers Viscount
Vickers Vanguard
HS 748
Dh106 Comet4B
Oh.. and the Tridents now!! Don't think I've forgotten anything :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

I'm in work at the mo, but have some settings for the tridents that I punched into FS Nav. I should warn you though that fuel economy isn't up there... I have them flying at 32000 and Mach 0.899 :shock:

Wot

No One-Elevens DB :shock: :huf:

Garry

I don't have FSNAV, but there are plenty of numbers stuck in my head if there's anything specific you need.

I fly a little more conservatively than Ben, but not much. Trident's are for ragging!
Usually M 0.86-0.88 if I know fuel is ok. 0.82-0.84 if I'm worried. Cruising at least 27000, but usually aiming at 32-36.

I'm obviously missing something with FSNav, but I can't help but think that it would seem like cheating to me.
Each to their own I guess. I may sometimes use 2x or 4x speed in the long straights, but I like to navigate myself.

I did see it in operation once, but can't remember much now.
What's the main attraction of FSNav?

DM

Hi DM,

Tks for that (and Ben too) The basics I can still remember.. speed, alt.. it's basically the fuelburn I'm after

Not quite sure what you mean by 'cheating' mate :think: It's ok to say that you like to navigate yourself but where do you get your info from?? Do you use charts (high/low level and approach plates) or use the default flightplanner??
FSNav is pretty much like the default planner only more so. You can use it in exactly the same fashion.. eg, plonk yourself at your departure airport and type in the ICAO code of your destination but it has much greater flexibility. You can route direct to, nav to nav, low level jetways, high level jetways and what you get out is a reasonably accurate facsimile of the real thing. The program can be updated with the latest Airac info to ensure that your flightplans are always reasonably up to date. What it can also do is give you a fair indication of your eta and fuelburn based on whichever aircraft you wish to fly. Problem here is, there are a default selection given to you but no one fly's the default.. do they??

You can use it to actually fly the aircraft from point a to point b or use it as a moving map display. Intersections are all marked along with freqs/speeds and altitudes so if you want, you can fly the darned thing yourself. What FSNav doesn't do is route you to Canada if you plan to fly to Brazil.. something the default flightplanner is very adept at

If you fly your routes with charts e t c.. kudos to you matey For me.. that's too time consuming so I suppose in it's purest form, FSNav is a cheat by comparison. It's no more a cheat than us all being here flying whatever we feel like though as very few of us are type rated on anything fancier than a car

It is possible to add information taken from real world flightplans and fly a route exactly as in the real world so you can think of it as your personal navigator. Cast your mind back to the heady days of the C1K release if you will. I input data into FSNav directly as given off a Jeppesen chart for one of Tonks flights (it was an old one and not classified.. not that normal flights are classified anyway) and the end result was that my flight and what Tonks had planned for were within 900kg. This of course shows two things.. FSNav can be used as a reasonably accurate navigation aid (something the default planner cannot!!) and your C1K model is pretty darned close to the real thing

End of sales pitch!! I feel I have to mention FSBuild here too which is similar to the same. FSNav was recommended to me by an old Valiant pilot and FSBuild comes recommended by a current ATC.. PeteP (Pete was on the beta team)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Just en route to Malta in the T2. The figures I'm using are...
Cruse Alt. 33000
Cruse Speed: 330 kts
Climb: 2500
Decend: 1800
Fuel Flow kg/h...
Cruse:4500
Climb:10500
Decend:2600

I use the same figures for the T3 with the exception of Cruse Alt: 32000 and Cruise Speed 320 kts.

I always add a 2000 Kg of fuel to keep me right, and usually have between 3000 - 4000 left in the tank.

These obviously aren't acurate real world figures, but they get me from A to B quickly.

Hi Ben,

That's grand mate.. tks VM

I FEEL THE NEED!!

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Bounce!!!

Right Ben. The last time I flew the '3' was when DM made the model so to download it and fly a live flight without a practise could be considered a tad foolish. However, armed with your FSN figures, I thought 'what the heck' so I booked and flew LHR to EDDF. All I can say to your numbers is that you are a complete lunatic!! I added the extra 2000kg and ended up with it at Frankfurt.. reason being you must go everywhere at full throttle!! :shock: :-$ WHAT a ride!!!! THe first time I saw land was halfway across France so I now have a fair feeling of what a Space Shuttle pilot experiences

No Triplex used as I honestly can't remember how to operate it so I used manual throttle throughout and landed manually. Testimony to the model is I managed a -16fpm landing.. something I rarely manage in the Vanguard/Viscount let alone in a ballistic missile so I am a very happy bod :dance: I'll massage your numbers a little to give me a less vertical experience but regardless.. they were (are) a great deal of fun The return flight will be a little more profitable and edge me a bit closer to my next acquisition.. a Chippie or Rapide

ATB

DaveB :tab:

DaveB wrote:I feel I have to mention FSBuild here too which is similar to the same.

LOL. How very diplomatic, Dave!
PP

Just found you can download FSNAV & use it for a trial 20 FS sessions.
So, I'm going to do just that & see if I like it.
I no doubt have a false impression that it does everything for you.

I don't use FS for routes or any ATC & I'm not using proper charts & approach plates either.
I use routefinder website to get a printout of waypoints, with track & distances. I don't use GPS, just go with whatever VOR & NBDs I get on the printout. Use DME readings to follow the waypoints in between.
Also get a simple printed FS chart for the airport from FScharts.

If FSNAV means I can do that kind of flying better, then it may be what I want.

Did a Trident flight last night. May be of no use to you, but...
Takeoff power of 100% on the thrust index, usually about 3000-3500 kgh per engine.
climb 290kt, rpm 11800 = 93%.
Up to FL100 about 2000 kgh/eng
By FL250 about 1400 kgh/eng
Cruise FL330 at M0.87 = 322kt, 1100 kgh/eng
Descend with a 3 deg profile from cruise.
And a 28th auto land with CBFS.

DM