Classic British Flight Sim

As a big fan of the Hawker Hunter, I'm suprised I never came across the Dave Garwood, Dave Booker and Saverio Maurri model...I just recently purchased the Alphasim model but found it to be WAY out in terms of performance, fuel burn, etc...etc...

I then found the freeware FS9 version and found it to operate to within 10 - 15% of the figures listed in the RW Pilots Manual and by that I mean it outperformed the RW version by about that margin. Not to bad considering the complicated work that goes into these models. The only real discrepancy I could find was in the fuel capacities used.

By comparison, The Alphasim model doesn't even come close!!! For example fuel burn is out nearly 300% and don't even get me started on the rest...lol

Too bad this model wasn't available for FSX...

Thanks for your comments Deryl.

I think you'll find the CBFS model more visually accurate too ;-)

I'm in the process of making the Hunter a full FSX model with a totally rebuilt VC.

That sounds FANTASTIC!

I'm seriously looking into starting up a sort of Virtual Combat Air Support group to support other Military VA's. Your Hawker Hunter would definately be one of the main aircraft in our fleet.

As I said, it seems your FS9 version performs better than the RW version but not by much. For example, at FL300 / 16000 lbs / 6250 RPM a clean RW F6 version should achieve Mach 0.70 burning about 3.5 lbs of fuel per NM. Your clean F6 version at the same Altitude, weight and RPM setting achieved Mach 0.76 burning 4.1 lbs per NM (partly due to the higher speed).

I'm not sure what version of the Hunter you researched for the Fuel Capacities but it must be an early model. FYI, following is a list of some significant models and their maximum fuel capacities;

F-1: 337 Imp Gallons (404 USG) Internal = 337 Imp Gallons (404 USG) Total
F-2: 337 Imp Gallons (404 USG) Internal / 2 x 100 Imp Gallon (120 USG) Drop Tanks (Outboard) = 537 Imp Gallons (644 USG) Total
F-6: 414 Imp Gallons (497 USG) Internal / 4 x 100 Imp Gallon (120 USG) Drop Tanks (Outboard / Inboard) = 814 Imp Gallons (977 USG) Total
FGA.9 / Mk.58: 392 Imp Gallons (470 USG) Internal / 2 x 100 Imp (120USG) Outboard / 2 x 230 Imp Gallon Inboard (276 USG) Drop Tanks = 1052 Imp Gallons (1262 USG) Total

I can't wait to see your FSX version...especially of the later models. Any chance we will see a model of the many FGA.9 equivalent (Swiss F.58 / RAF Mk.58) models still actively flying commercially? It would be great to see a clean / 2 tank / 4 tank / 4 tank + 2 "mission" hardpoints (typical of modern "military" applications).

If you need any data or someone to Beta Test your model, I'm a RW pilot in the CAF and have POH's for both the F.6 and FGA.9 versions...

Many thanks for such a great model!!!

Hi Deryl

I seem to remember a lot of the info used for the model was based around the F6/F6A.. certainly, it was F6 Pilots Notes that were used. What you have to remember is that ALL aspects of flightsim (and I honestly can't think of one that isn't) are finalised around compromise and fast jets are more of a nightmare than most due to their performance envelope. You get one bit right (say, low speed) and you find that mid to high speeds are off and so it goes on until you come to something approaching correct for them all and there is where you have to leave it ;-) Imagine having the fuelburn correct for takeoff and in the cruise but then finding the climb performance is down the pan. One very good reason why I try to steer clear of fast jets (as a tester)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

I didn't have much to do with the FD. Rick handled that for the original release, then Peter McL tweaked it which was then used for the T models. The same basic FD was used accross the range, so it was a bit of a compromise.

I can't say at this stage what will be in the next release. As you can appreciate, there are many, many different possible combinations of load-outs accross the various marks, and it's just not practical to for me to cover every option.