Classic British Flight Sim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7416627.stm

What the guy from BAe actually said was if they were not airworthy now, then they probably never have been... it was a stupid remark, but completely miss reported.

For an aircraft that's never been airworthy it's got a pretty good track record.

At one time I would never look past the beeb for news, but of late, they just seem to be spouting garbage on any subject you care to mention. Almost as bad as ITV and Sky.

What was actually said was that the aircraft had never been fitted with fire surpression systems in the aera where the fire broke out, to which someone said made it un airworthy, to which the BAE guy had replied if that was the case then the aircraft has never been airworthy.

Its a tragic accident, and certainly lessons can be learned, but sensationalist broadcsting is totally iresponsible, especially from a state run broadcaster.

The list of incidents prove how safe the type is

Considering the often hostile conditions the type flies in and eliminating the bird strike, flare ignition that caused a bombay fire and the airshow incident that are not type specific accidents then the safety of what is an operational military type over nearly forty years is truly remarkable.

Garry

I think the criticism of the BBC is in this case not justified, The sensationalist tendency comes from the Coroner, who has put out headline grabbing suggestions without there having been ( on the reports I have seen at any rate) evidence which suggests the aircraft were unsafe from their inception. All aircraft have flaws ; all human endeavour has flaws ; it may well be that in both cases here the flaws should have been picked up sooner, but that is quite different from the suggestion that the aircraft has always been so unsafe that it should never have been flown. All of this shows why enquiries into aircraft safety need to be conducted by those who have some experience with aeroplanes : contrast this sensationalist stuff with the measured responses which came from the Staines Trident enquiry, the chairman of which was Lord Justice Geoffrey Lane AFC ( later the Lord Chief Justice)

Garry Russell wrote: bombay fire

Bombay, India??

Yes, the Nimrod has had a very safe history; it was designed to be 'thrown around' at low level, thus has to be stronger than Airliners, so it has excelled this very safely over the years.

There is basically nothing wrong with it. It is only because it was never designed to do AAR on a frequent basis, coupled with the harsher conditions it is now operating in (away from Maritime duties) and the high workload expected of it.

But how are the engineers suppose to fix these problems if they haven't got the resources and budget? It's the same old story I'm afraid.

That's the real problem Chris

Those at the top who's job it is to provide, cut and withold yet expect those charged with carrying out the job to do it anyway with the inadequete resources to hand.

When it goes wrong it's 'the fault' of the operators, maintenace or the manufacturers and even the man in the Moon.

Never do those truly responsible hold there hand up unless there is a bonus cheque.

Happens everywhere, but when it involves this kind of thing there is no second chance.

It is often said that efficiency is not 100 percent. What is convieniently fogotten is it takes those on the job 120 percent effort to get the 95 percent result.

Yes....those at the front are working very hard and being very resourceful. The manager reckon they are only doing their job in cost cutting.

Well, if those at the sharp end only did their job it would be a lot worse than it is.

But no.....despite the odds they do their duty to the full as best and as able as they can.

We all owe it to them.

Garry

I think Chris Storey hit the nail straight on the head there. The Coroner is the man behind the report and seems to be getting himself a reputation as a 'MoD Basher'. While this in itself is no bad thing as it may move them to take positive action, it has been sensationalised by the media in general.. not just the BBC on this occassion (though they're as guilty as the rest) :roll:

ATB

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