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TobyV wrote:Just checked Jane's and all the photos of Mosquitos show similar handed props on both engines (i.e. both rotating, in this case, counterclockwise). Nothing to say there were different engines on either wing except for one model (a Night fighter I think) where a slightly more powerful one was used on one side to drive additional equipment.
Toby,

The only Merlins that were "handed" were the 130 series, which were fitted to the Hornet. Mossies never wore them. Some of the high altitude Mossies had differing engines on either wing, as one of the Merlins had the gubbins needed to drive the pressurisation system (Merlin 71/73?).

Other NF Mossies briefly used Nitrous Oxide or Liquid Oxygen injection to get an extra bit of oomph. John Cunningham flew one with inconclusive results.

Back to the main topic...

Why on earth didn't AH use some decent beta testers? :dunno:

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steve p wrote:
Why on earth didn't AH use some decent beta testers? :dunno:
Maybe we should volunteer... :lol:
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I thought we already had :lol:
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Hi Guys

I asked for a beta mossie 5 times over 5 months & gave up asking as it won't ever get to me.

I did the same when everyone and his wife had the Gannet they started
and never recieved that either.

I did the same for the Tiger moth but they don't want ne anywhere near it
:dunno:

I will not bother to ask anymore as it's an insult to my intelligence. :worried:

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simtrac wrote:I thought we already had :lol:
Well, it would have saved them some work... (or created it!)

I'll rephrase that - it would have saved some constructive criticism... :lol:
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Rick Piper wrote:Hi Guys

I asked for a beta mossie 5 times over 5 months & gave up asking as it won't ever get to me.

I did the same when everyone and his wife had the Gannet they started
and never recieved that either.

I did the same for the Tiger moth but they don't want ne anywhere near it
:dunno:

I will not bother to ask anymore as it's an insult to my intelligence. :worried:

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Rick
Might be cruel but do you think that shows their thinking? In that they would rather have 'yes men', (yes that sounds nice, yes that flies nice) rather than have people who will ask questions - why isn't that done, why does this texture mis match etc.

I would have thought it would be in their (financial) interests to get testers who are willing to think & ask questions to ensure that the product is right (as can be) for the initial release.

As was posted above (I think) if you are a first time buyer of a product at this price & you do not receive satisfaction could it not put you off further payware products as the given impression is that the producers offer a less that adequate product.

I do not have this pack so can't comment from personal use BTW.



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I would have thought it would be in their (financial) interests to get testers who are willing to think & ask questions to ensure that the product is right (as can be) for the initial release.
I agree to a point, but with anything when you get business involved, perfectionism can sometimes go out of the window. Let's say both the developer and publisher have got projections written into their accounts, so a product has to go on sale by such and such a date - therefore corners will be cut. I run a graphic design business and I know that while I would always like to spend another day getting a piece of work even better than it is, there comes a point where we need the cash!

Having said that, when someone like Rick with such an evident track record approaches them to test, they shouldn't really ignore him and people like him. The other side of the coin is that with good testing, information and advice, you end up with a product that knocks people's socks off from the start - thereby enhancing your reputation. IMHO, PMDG have done this, Captainsim haven't.

At any rate, JF/AH do seem to be taking on board the points that have been raised so far ...
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I totally agree with that Simon. This may not be the correct forum for this but.... Whilst most freeware developers have the luxury of holding back on the release of a new project until it is not only acceptable but as good as it can be, when the ££££'s become involved there is always going to be pressure to get the project out and earning it's development costs and getting stuck into the next project.

For a freeware developer the emphasis is (or should be) getting it to a point where you as the developer would be happy with the project if it had been created by another developer. That can be hard to achieve sometimes.

There also comes a point where you have to call time on a project to stop it becoming an obsession, there is ALWAYS one more little thing that you want to do to it.

That said I don't hold it against commercial developers whose stuff is sometimes not all it could be, I just won't buy it. What I do feel is that they have probably lost the joy of creating something which give so much pleasure to other members of this fine community and that is a pity.

Freeware developers may not be the richest bunch of guys in the world (pound wise) but they're not short in the satisfaction and fulfillment stakes. You all know who you are so here's to you - my thanks gentlemen!

Lets see some of the un-named payware companies returning to that philosophy

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simtrac wrote:
At any rate, JF/AH do seem to be taking on board the points that have been raised so far ...
As per an earlier posting, Bazz picks up on the comments and undoubtedly will do something about them. Look at what happened with the Spitfire set, they listened to the comments and released a set of patches to deal with them; when there were still comments about the Mk 22 tail they released another patch to cover that - oh, and of course added the floatplane version. :smile: I can give a personal testament to the level of customer service Bazz offers; for some reason my PC setup would not let me install the last two patches, so Bazz sent me over a semi-installed version, and included very detailed instructions on how to get it all set up! I can think of one or two companies who could take a lesson from that!

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Hi Andy

Yes i agree on that point.

My only gripe is i have asked a lot of times to beta stuff but have never recieved anything to test even though Baz (I think it was Baz) said yes.

It's not major, i just like to help if at all possible.

I get lots of other payware to test and the authors know that i give them feedback.

I have been a Fan of AH since they started so i'm not looking for a freebie.

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Rick :wink:

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