Classic British Flight Sim

Again thanks for the ever more comments and indepth information, Saturday Dave is when im camera shoppin!

ok bouys :roll:
so compacts have a little lag time...they have a few draw backs ..
but, ....it's not the size of the ship .... rather the motion of the ocean..


I have both to use.

AND I can do this too
(caution check your audio level)
http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/ ... 0_0324.flv
http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/ ... 0_0325.flv :dance:


ATB Chris on your choice

Hi All,

Dave, it's a good point regarding shutter lag on compacts, basically down to two things. An SLR shutter release button is just that, so if you are on manual focus for example, it does one thing only - activate the shutter. Compacts by their nature are different, so the shutter (and not even shutter in some cases) will not open until the camera tells it to - with the 'shutter release' on a compact you are setting off a chain of events, which culminates in the picture getting taken. Also, the electronics matter. Just like a PC, an SLR can kick data over to a card much faster that most compacts (this is partly why they cost more) - and have larger buffers generally. Many compacts are capable of bursts but limited buffers and write speeds cripple the usefullness. Also, where with an SLR using burst and AI servo, the AF will track (and may get it wrong!!) while you shoot, and if using time value or whatever, will use the appropriate settings - many compacts will KEEP the 'shutter' open and you get two or three 'electronic' shots, very close together, in fact quicker than a shutter can reset itself - but all paramaters remain the same - they will not optimise as SLRS do! *in my experience

Chris must be wondering why he asked now :roll: ;-)

But seriously, no matter what camera a person buys, you have a learning curve, and no-one gets a perfect shot every time. AF, Servo, burst modes etc are no replacement for careful planning, composition and patience - better to have ONE good shot that ten mediocre ones IMO.

The one good thing with digital is that you can practice for nowt!!

forthbridge wrote:
But seriously, no matter what camera a person buys, you have a learning curve, and no-one gets a perfect shot every time. AF, Servo, burst modes etc are no replacement for careful planning, composition and patience - better to have ONE good shot that ten mediocre ones IMO.

absolutly right there.. ;-) jim
point well made

thats why I don't sweat the lag

I'll tell you what.. the 'staff' at Amateur Photographer have their work cut out with this thread as I reckon we've effectively put them out of a job!

Another valid point about practising costing nowt ;-) That's the beauty of any digital camera really. When I bought my first Eos300D body, it cost close to £800. The original intention was to get an Eos10D (a much better camera in every respect) and slowly throw accessories at it but in the end, I got the 300D, a spare 512mb card, battery grip, wrist strap and Speedlite 550EX for just about the same price as the 10D body + Speedlite. Comparing how many shots I'd taken in year 1 against the cost of developing the same amount of shots taken with 35mm film stock.. the camera paid for itself :o Put a slightly different way.. after year one, every shot I've taken has been a freebie ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

DaveB wrote:

Another valid point about practising costing nowt ;-) That's the beauty of any digital camera really. When I bought my first Eos300D body, it cost close to £800. The original intention was to get an Eos10D (a much better camera in every respect) and slowly throw accessories at it but in the end, I got the 300D, a spare 512mb card, battery grip, wrist strap and Speedlite 550EX for just about the same price as the 10D body + Speedlite. Comparing how many shots I'd taken in year 1 against the cost of developing the same amount of shots taken with 35mm film stock.. the camera paid for itself :o Put a slightly different way.. after year one, every shot I've taken has been a freebie ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Exactly. It's worth bearing in mind that these days (well with DSLR equipment) there is no such thing as a *bad* camera. It all boils down to taste really and what each person's preferences are. I suppose it's a good thing in one way, but it is also a bad thing - look at this thread - it's not like anyone can say without question 'KEEP AWAY FROM THAT COS IT's NAFF!!' - so it does come down to more basic issues like feel and operation as much (if not more than) image quality.

The one drawback with 'free' images is that (well with me anyway) it did make me take vastly more shots to begin with ('It's free!!' - but of course you just end up with proportionally more howlers and deleters - but, it is also a good way to learn the limits of your kit - if You don't make mistakes, you are either from another planet, or not using the camera!! ;-)

oops... I was going to continue ranting about sensors and histograms, but that can wait til another time

forthbridge wrote:But seriously, no matter what camera a person buys, you have a learning curve, and no-one gets a perfect shot every time. AF, Servo, burst modes etc are no replacement for careful planning, composition and patience - better to have ONE good shot that ten mediocre ones IMO.

I couldn't agree more. Although admittedly I could fire off 10 shots of a particularly slow aircraft, or 3/4 of a fast one, I'm never tempted to use continuous shooting. I prefer to take each shot as its own, having planned each one. If you fire off a continuous burst of 20 shots, and only one comes out looking decent, then surely that's more down to luck than the skill of the photographer? :roll:

But then, am I opening up another can of worms, now?

I will add that a DSLR is well worth the money. I did start out on a Fuji S5600 (before I had a job), and was reasonably happy with it, but since purchasing my 400D, I wonder how I ever did without it! The leap between a compact and a DSLR is a great one, and you'd certainly never think twice about going back. The feel, the control, the image quality (even with a cheapish lens like the 75-300 I have), it just adds up to a much better piece of kit.

Of course, it's all down to the needs of the user, so think about what you want from a camera, and see which is more suitable. The only thing that should stop you from going down the DSLR route is the price (still a very worthy investment).

Surely you can control the jpg size on the D70??

Not to add more to this discussion, just to answer Dave. Yes there are several quality versions of JPG on the D70. But if you choose RAW, one option is to ALSO have a JPG saved at the same time. It was the quality of this that I was referring to (crappy).

And an interesting airing of opinions here - I enjoyed them.

Ian

Rgr that Ian ;-)

Options on the 300D are even more limited. If you want to shoot RAW.. you have to set the camera up to 'Large' and if memory serves me right, 100 ISA :o

Fingers crossed Chris comes away with what he want's. I'm quite excited even though it's not my money

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Oh eck tis saturday! Yes thanks again for the wonderfully informative posts of half i dont get, but its all on board for me to go shooping and ill let you guys know which one ill be getting on chrimbo day...