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Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 07 Oct 2010, 21:50
by DaveB
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 11:18
by petermcleland
SkippyBing wrote:S'Alright, the Macon was Hydrogen filled.
I would hope it was Helium filled Skippy

Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 12:15
by emfrat
Among my books - I wouldn't call it a library - I have a Dover publication titled "The Great Dirigibles -their triumphs and disasters" by John Toland. Apparently the original print was titled "Ships in the Sky". It is a fascinating read, and it becomes clear that it was the fact of these great machines being lighter than air that made them so vulnerable.
Macon was mortally wounded by what today we would call a microburst;
Shenandoah was torn apart when she could not fully penetrate a squall line, or front. The R100/R101 saga is also covered.
Ever since I first read it some years ago, I have been wondering just how much momentum a powered lighter-than-air craft actually has.
To go with it, I later bought a DVD titled "The Airships" which was put out by the (Oz) ABC. Like my videos and DVDs of old railway stuff, it is the things in the background rather than the main subject which provide the most enjoyment.
Recommended, if a tad
MikeW
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 13:51
by SkippyBing
I would hope it was Helium filled Skippy

That being what I meant to type!
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 14:23
by jonesey2k
I like Hydrogen, especially its heavy isotopes, power of the future!
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 14:36
by Garry Russell
Instead of gas, could they just not instal a small office in the cabin from where a Government official could annouce Government plans and polices with a pipe tapping all the hot air and pumping it into the envelope.

Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 08 Oct 2010, 17:01
by HawkerHart
That balloon race the other day was with hydrogen filled balloons. The Gordon Bennett, oldest air race in the world apparently. Sadly one balloon and crew went missing over the Adriatic and still no news

Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 15 Nov 2010, 02:55
by Tom Clayton
FS doesn't have the provision to anchor an aircraft by the nose, so the designer just put an invisible "roof" out from the tower. The zep is sitting on that surface, so FS thinks there should be a shadow. If you really want to play with somebody's brain, do a few touch and go's with a Piper Cub!
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 15 Nov 2010, 23:58
by Patron7
Hi Guys,
Somehow I missed this thread. If you have any questions about either the Macon model (I was the project coordinator) or the actual dirigible - just ask. All dirigibles dropped ballast (water) in order to lighten up so that they could rise. Both the USS Macon and her sister-ship (USS Akron) had water recovery devices to trap condensate and therefore add weight while underway. Helium was fantastically expensive, so they could not afford to just valve it off like you would hydrogen (which was dirt-cheap) to loose weight while landing .
Bill
Re: Goodbye old fashioned fixed wing aircraft!
Posted: 19 Nov 2010, 21:24
by blanston12
SkippyBing wrote:S'Alright, the Macon was Hydrogen filled.
Now how about some fighters to drop out the bottom of it?
For the record both USS Macon and her sister-ship USS Akron where filled with Helium! Hindenburg was designed to use Helium also, but the US government would not sell the Helium to Germany.