GPS in a second monitor

[petermcleland]

Ian,

I use FSNav on my second monitor but I do use the GPS on my aircraft panels...I use a payware version of the GNS530...This is just a dressed up version of the Default 500...My point is that I find the 500 superior to that 295 in that you can "Skip Waypoints"...I have never managed to do that with the 295. If you are not familiar with the procedure, here is is for the 500 as given to me some time ago by a helpful person:-


"For example, take the following series of waypoints:

KGYY
EON
WEARS
BATAM
DNV
BVT
KLAF

We've departed KGYY and are en-route to the EON VOR waypoint. ATC now clears us to "DNV Direct."

1) Press the FPL key to bring up the flight plan in the GPS's FPL Window.

2)Press the CRSR knob to bring up the flashing cursor.

3)Click the large right knob to scroll down to the DNV VOR waypoint.

4) Click the MENU button to bring up the "Activate Leg?" dialog box.

5) Click ENTER button to Activate this Leg, which will cause the GPS to bypass EON, WEARS, and BATAM, but will keep the Leg from DNV to BVT active!

Using the Direct-To button would have cancelled the rest of the flight plan!

I hope this explanation is helpful!"

You may be able to make your 295 do this, but I never managed it :flying:

[speedbird591]

Thank you for all that info, Peter. I have just tried out the 'skip waypoint' procedure you mentioned. I generated a flight plan from LHR to CDG with a number of waypoints and tried setting the GPS to go from number 2 to number 5.

I hadn't noticed before, but DM has put the 295 in the Comet and VC10 and the 500 in the 1-11 and Trident, so there is a mix of GPSs. I tried it first in the 1-11 fitted with the 500 and it was just as you said. I then tried it in the VC10 with the 295 and that worked as well! Perhaps I was just lucky!

The 500 is the better looking GPS, so I'll have a fiddle about and see if I can replace the 295 in the four-engined aircraft with the 500 from one of the the others. As for FSNav, it is obviously superior to any of the GPSs but as I only use the GPS for quick visual route checks, and not for GPS navigation, I don't think I need anything else. :think:

Thanks for the advice, Peter.

Ian

EDIT: The 295 can be replaced by the 500 in the Comet and VC10 by simply pasting the entry from the GPS window in the Trident panel.cfg over the entries in the GPS windows of the VC10 and Comet panel.cfg. I've just done it

[DaveB]

Ah dear.. so old and yet so young

Of COURSE the gps can be changed. 99.9% of us have never noticed one was dif'rent from t'other as we never use that piece of *rap Deary me Ian. I should have stayed with you on Wed and dragged you back here rather than let you loose on your Jack :roll: Take another Wed off and come here to the pub and I'll show you just how easy FSN is to use. You don't get pretty pictures of mountains or any of the other rubbish the default stuff gives you. It is a simple navigation aid or just a visual representation of where you are. You can make it as complicated or easy as you desire.

Try routing from LHR to JFK and let me know where the default flight planner takes you (I already know but I guess you don't) If you want casual.. you get casual and terribly wrong!! :brick:

Please.. no more pictures of this abomination on your second monitor. Insulted is a word that springs to mind :@

Get your butt over here!

DaveB :tab:

[Garry Russell]

I did a default flightplanner once for Manchester-JFK

The route it gave was up to almost to the pole..over the top of Greenland :o and down to pretty well over Chicago then eastwards to JFK. :brick:

At the moment I am being bothered by a fly and if I catch it the fly I ask it......and I bet even it will know that's not the right route.

So if I'm ever in London Dave... I might use it to find my way to Reading....but only if I have time to pop into East Fortune on the way.

Tbh I've never understoood how something like that can be a part of the Sim without them knowing just how useless it really is :brick:

Garry

[DaveB]

The sad and very annoying fact is.. it was just as cr@p in 2002 which is when many of us 'moved over' to something slightly more reliable. It is completely garbage as a route planner as it's not possible to input anything resembling accurate data so why the hell is it there in the first place :roll:

I give you one very simple example of the differences between.. lets say.. FSNav and the default flight planner (I can include the likes of FSBuild with FSN as it too represents a far more accurate example of a navigational aid than the default). A few years ago.. I was given a 'bonafide' flightplan from (I think) Hannover to KEF. It wasn't possible to insert the vast majority of the RW plan into flight planner so I gave up. I tried the same using FSN and found I could add every single waypoint from the RW plan into it (without exception as I remember). The end result (having entered/downloaded the correct weather for the day of the RW flight into ActiveSky) was an overall fuelburn difference of 900kg between what I used in the VC10 and what was projected in the Jeppesen plan. This not only speaks volumes for DM's VC10's (and I know we worked very hard on that aspect) but also the accuracy or degree of accuracy FSN can be made to operate. Of course.. like so many things.. rubbish in.. rubbish out so your sums have to be there or thereabouts to begin with but.. as an example of how good FSN can be made to work, I can't give better than this. It's not perfect.. far from it but in this respect.. rubbish in.. rubbish out is generally to blame ;-)

You'd think I'm in the 'employ' of FSN wouldn't you but I'm not.. it really IS that good. The only thing it can't do is be as bad as the default
EDIT.. It WAS HAN-KEF.. I've found the plan ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[TSR2]

In case anyone is in any doubt..... Dave likes FSNav.

Seriously though, if you have FS9, it is superb, and you wouldn't go back. I bought it years ago on his recommendation and its brilliant.

Alas, its no more in FSX... actually, no more at all! :-(

[speedbird591]

[TSR2]

Ah... he has finally submitted!!!

[DaveB]

There are certain things that should be outlawed as a matter of priority..

Hoodies..

Men wearing baseball hats indoors..

Folk using the default FS9 flight Planner..

You get my drift

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[nigelb]

If you have FSNav, you can export the plan you create into the simulator and then load it from the flight planning menu. Your route, created with FSNAV, will then show up on the GPS. That way you can have your cake and eat it too, or in other words you can have the eye candy of mountains in colour relief maps. I have noticed that the terrain on the GPS map is more detailed the depiction on the FSNav map. I found that out by almost flying into a mountain :@ that did not show on the FS map, but did on the GPS, which is why I occassionly check the GPS terrain map. Fly around Switzerland and you will see what I mean.

As others have said, planning a route with the default flight planner results in some strange routings, especially on long, cross-ocean flights. Since FSNAv is no more, there are other flight planning tools available, many of them are freeware and probably all do a far better job than the default FS9 flight planner.