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On the topic of ISP's, they can see everything you are sending/recieving unless its encrypted, they can read your emails, see what searches you are doing and what files you are sharing!!! We use the same stuff to moniter works Wifi for the staff members, its amazing at what you can see!!!

I found CS really funny when i brought the C-130 pack, i had to do the offline activation on the computer that i was on the internet on... :roll:

You also risk your internet connection these days as lots of ISPs are monitoring things like eMule channels etc. and will send you an e-mail telling you what you shared and when and threatening to cancel your acount if you don't stop. So the risks are just too high these days

That's interesting. I just did a little research on this and it appears to be something the government would like to introduce. I wonder how exactly they would implement this? How do they know the file you are sharing is copyright material? How can they prove you knowingly downloaded copyright material? How can they prove it was you downloading the file and not, for instance, a neighbour piggy backing your WiFi network? How would the ban be implemented? Would you be banned from just your current ISP, or all of them? Finally, who would arbitrate the process? What appeal procedure would there be?

Interesting stuff but fraught with problems I think.

Pielstick wrote:

You also risk your internet connection these days as lots of ISPs are monitoring things like eMule channels etc. and will send you an e-mail telling you what you shared and when and threatening to cancel your acount if you don't stop. So the risks are just too high these days

That's interesting. I just did a little research on this and it appears to be something the government would like to introduce. I wonder how exactly they would implement this? How do they know the file you are sharing is copyright material? How can they prove it was you downloading the file and not, for instance, a neighbour piggy backing your WiFi network? How would the ban be implemented? Would you be banned from just your current ISP, or all of them?

Interesting stuff but fraught with problems I think.

It's a horrible grey area. I've been slammed by my ISP for sharing over P2P a few years back... it was (wait for it)... the demo of Photoshop you can download from the Adobe website. I used to download a lot of legal mp3's from unsigned bands, I had over 5,000 at one stage, but a few trackers used to require you to share a certain amount before you could download anything so I used to bump my shared folder out with demos. Why people downloaded it from me I've no idea, but it did the job until I got a snotty e-mail from Pipex regarding an "abuse notification". Big companies sit on trackers, gather IP addresses and report them to ISP's. The ISP's then dispatch said abuse notification e-mail to which you have to promise to be a good boy and not do it again (apparently) but me being me argued I was in the right as it was only demo software and the "Business Software Alliance" who had sent in the report that my IP address was sharing copyrighted software was talking a load of old cobblers. Needless to say my association with Pipex ended after a few more e-mails were exchanged and since I've switched to Be they don't have a problem with p2p as long as you're sharing legit, legal things. Pipex also throttled my p2p for no apparent reason even though I was on a full, un-metered package.

From what I understand the ISP are not allowed to give out your information to whoever it is doing the complaining unless they have a court order, so the person/industry/company gets your IP address, looks it up, reports it to your ISP and then waits for the ISP to report back that they have dealt with the issue. The ISP's deal with the issue by sending out e-mails asking you to reply within 7 days saying you won't continue doing whatever it is that you've done to upset them. So if I'm being perfectly honest I suppose the ISP's are actually on our side simply due to the fact that if they kick you off their network they aren't getting your money any more. I also imagine they must receive thousands of complaints about file sharing every day, many of whom are sharing/downloading perfectly legitimate things. I have heard of many experiences far worse than my own, a person I know was an avid player of World of Warcraft and the games patcher used to use p2p software to disseminate the latest patches and updates to save on bandwidth. Someone, somewhere working for an ISP that is associated with a particular British phone company who shall remain nameless sent out a lot of abuse notification e-mails in error to people who had been using the World of Warcraft patcher, accusing them of sharing copyrighted material. I don't know if that went off the ISP's back or someone complained externally about people sharing copyrighted material (one hopes it was just an overeager employee at the ISP).

It's such a monstrous grey area at the moment with people being punished who don't deserve it and people who should really have the book thrown at them who cost the industry billions every year are getting away with it. And it seems that there is no genuinely foolproof way of penalising those who deserve it and not confusing legitimate uses of peer to peer and file sharing with genuine software pirates.

That's very interesting. I suppose the ISPs have the big companies breathing down their necks about allowing their customers to share copyright material on their networks, but on the other hand they don't want to start cracking down as they will lose customers.

I did a little reading on this today and apparently under UK law an ISP is not responsible for whatever data goes through their network. That means ultimately the responsibility lies with the customer, but as we have seen it can be very difficult to target the right people without some "collatoral damage" involving legitimate users.

I also read on another site that according to various data from ISPs around the world, depending on what part of the world you are in anything from 50-90% of net traffic is from P2P networks :o

Oh its highly easy to see, who(MAC address), what(Download/links/URLS/Text or emails etc), when someone is using the internet, all the ISP needs to do is have a sniffing software and hardware located between its users and the rest of the internet!

Also the software we use at work also gives us what client the user is using, for instance, Windows XP home edition and IE7... More to the point of file sharing, for instance we have seen Limewire with version number, Bitcomet, BTWebclient (today spotted this one), BBC iPlayer(Actually based on Peer to Peer technology, like most other TV on demand!!! And dont for get, ISP's, peer to peer technology is actually legal...

Id not be surprised if your ISP knew exactly what you do on their providing service!

They may know where your going, but its illeagal for them to record the information. Its a bit of a grey area. We can see who logged on here using which browser from what IP address and on which opperating system. I don't think its illeagal to have that info, but I think it depends on use. :think:

It might be legal if they put in their terms and condition that they moniter and record activities on their ISP... Just like they have fair usage policy for unlimited and uncapped broardband...

It's would I think be against the law to distribute private information no matter what they say in their terms and conditions.

Garry

sorry Garry i got my wires crossed...

Problem with this sort of thing is it is clear to see what is legal and what's not

But there is a wide spread in the middle where it is not clear and could be argued or even justified both ways.

Also the morals of it........if you knew anyone was feeding out info would you want to do business with them, can you trust them.

One thing for sure..I'm glad I don't have to decide

Garry