Vanguard routes updated - Canadian routes available now

[Garry Russell]

Thanks John on the Autopilot info

Garry

[DaveB]

Hi John,

My airframe was also at ZERO fuel when I picked it up at Manchester ;-) The end result, cost wise, was a profit margin of v$165,000 which sounds a lot but in the grand scale of things is negligable.. especially when you're worth over v$10.9Billion I don't do night landings these days as my eye's are just not up to it (and 4pints of Theakstons didn't help) hence another ropey landing at Gander but I notice that your airframe has dropped .1 below KU. Landings have to be taken into consideration but I wonder also if the additional time spent in the climb from FL210 to FL250 doesn't take it's toll :think:

Interestingly enough.. according to Vickers own figures, for a flight distance in the area of the one we've just done (less in actual fact), there is no difference in 'plane mile direct costs' between FL240 and FL210. For a flight from say London to Paris, Plane Mile Direct Costs are identical at FL150 and FL210 and should be slightly better at FL180 though in all honesty, it wouldn't be fair to pitch Rick's tired but long lived model against these sort of figures ;-) For Rick, it was working almost blind and as for the figures.. would you trust a salesman

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[robbie]

Hi Guys,
Seeing as CYUL is home for me, I thought I'd make it my base for a while and utilise the vc9 a bit, but now I've hit a problem with the AP!, I've tried 3 different ILS approaches at various fields,(I'm a night person) and as soon as I engage the GS, she takes a dive at the nearest field, bloody bizare??, only the vc9 does this, and I can't fly the approach on manual in foul weather!, any ideas please?.

Dave, your criuse F/F is almost spot on with the real figures, 12,500 lp rpm @ 25,000 would noramlly give us 1,400 lbs/hr, so your only about 30 lbs/hr over, not bad.

John, thermal deiceing only raises the TGT and drops the torque, it doesn't affect the F/Flow,or the RPM, on the real thing anyway!.
Any objections to me coming over with a Britannia and leaving it here for a few weeks?, not many people using them and I don't want to buy a tickey on British airways!! yuk.

Robbie.

[DaveB]

Hiya Robbie

I wondered if this little enterprise would arouse your interest

Yes mate.. no problem doing that at all. We're not exactly short of Brits so one off station for a while won't do any damage ;-)

I'll have a look at the AP/GS for you. I generally use the Mk1 eyeball but can make an exception

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[RAF_Quantum]

Hi Robbie,

Not sure what's happening with your ILS approaches as it flies the ILS fine for me. The only thing I can think is that you are trying to use an ILS/BC in which case the GS isn't there which may cause the aircraft to dive. You have to use BC in a Nav mode with a stepped descent. Not sure if the Vanguard ap will fly a BC as I believe it has to have a BC mode to be able to fly it. I must admit I steer clear of ILS/BC.

The f/f gauges definately drop in the sim when I select thermal de-icing, maybe one for Fraser to look at. Not sure how the gauges work - if they are somehow tied into the torque then that may be why the f/f's reduce.

NP keeping a Brit with you for a couple of weeks. FYI the Canadian VC9's are based at CYUL and CYYZ.

Rgds

John

[DaveB]

Hi John,

Much of what you see on the panel is an illusion mate and written so that what you see is what you SHOULD be seeing.. not what is actually happening. Moving the fuel trim shows the burn needles drop but.. ff will only actually drop when the throttles are reduced. Perhaps Fraser can enhance the illusion further but I'm really not sure :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[Viscount Cornbank]

Perhaps someone can point me in the right direction :prayer:

The Vanguard panel is the only one of mine which actually makes use of FS engine deicing, in the thermal capacity anyway, there must be something in either the air. or cfg. files which influences torque drop when FS engine deicing is selected on. I agree it is grossly exaggerated in the Vanguard, but at the moment I have no control over it. It must be possible as the FS YS-11 makes use of FS engine deice without a torque drop... just need to know what to change


Keep any faults coming Robbie and I'll see what I can do, the whole setup is about as truthful as a party political broadcast, but that engine start is the biz or what? ;-)

[DaveB]

Hi Fraser,

Thermal deicing should drop torque and raise EGT but NOT effect fuelflow so it's the fuelflow bit that needs looking at if possible I don't know by how much it would effect EGT but as long as it didn't go out of the specified range, there should be no need to alter trim. Question is.. how much hotter did the EGT get and for how long :o

Btw Robbie.. KU is waiting for you in Montreal ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[robbie]

Hi all,
I'm going to D/L the vc9 again from Ricks site, I'm still using the update that Fraser sent me for Testing and I'm sure I have a few problems built in!. and it's a bit out of date I'll bet?.
John, I'm flying normal ILS approaches not using BC, and there's no problems with other A/C, so it must be my setup, I'm no boffin at this computer stuff.

The thermal antice should give a 20 deg TGT rise, with a 30psi torque drop. this is constant while selected "ON"
the Tyne works on a min torque figure, ie anything above that is acceptable, so no reason to adjust the trim in flight range to compensate for torque reduction. also IF thermal antice is on at T/O power, a micro switch on the throttle activates and closes the valve by 50%, rare it's needed, apart form -35 deg c during go arround.

Fraser, YS-11 had Darts nes par?, the only thermal they had was for fuel heating, just a small air bleed hardly shows a torque drop, although it happens, we realy had to stare at the EGT to see it move, all the rest was electrical.

Yes indeed the start up is the bees knees, but I have no sound at all untill I select high ground idle with the start levers, Is your latest update available for the panal and sound at Ricks????

Robbie.

[Viscount Cornbank]

Hi Robbie

The reference to the YS-11 was only to the FS model and its PUD coding, and illustrates that it is possible to use FS built PUDS without getting the drop in power(and sound). The Vanguard panel's thermal pud effects are generated by FS and not me influencing the gauges, where I'd rather be able to eliminate the generated FS effect and make the gauges behave correctly through lie telling.

I'll try and get the latest to you Robbie shortly for you to try out ;-) I have low ground idle sound prior to acceleration and as far as I know so does Dave :think:

Cheers

Fraser