If you ever get this way again we need to go take a look at "Catherderal" at Kyle Canyon (Mount Charleston) its a whatchmacallit "spire"??? is that the right word - that goes from 7000 feet up to 9000 feet......BTW on Maui (Staces home) they have a land version of the Old Man of Hoy?? Its a 2500 foot spire that rises from the floor of Iau valley - part of the original volcano that was West Maui