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Posted: 04 Oct 2006, 22:39
by TobyV
In light of your answer to my other question, I see where you are coming from, but again I think this would have to be done on a clean surface, free from dirt, corrosion paint etc, else one might create a trap where water, dirt, air etc could get in pockets and initiate further corrosion. It probably wouldnt be cheap either. Quite how AA did it (or BAC did it for AA more likely) I would know, could be some sort of adhesive or bonding, some sort of electro-chemical process or perhaps even by mechanical fasteners :dunno:

Posted: 04 Oct 2006, 23:11
by Garry Russell
Funny thing Toby

I was thinking of the AA 1-11 when I answered this but at that time I had not seen the other post.....spooky

I see the problem on that...forming a trap, but maybe one day a solution will be found. At one time One-Eleven engines and leading edges could not be painted but later they were, probably due to better paint.
The reason given as the time was that it could not withstand the heat. Some US painted the engines but found it difficult to maintain in those days. There may have been other reasons but later painted pods were the norm.

Funny thing is F.28 always had painted pods.

After tests on special bonding agents the metal foil was added........this was on the line and as a part of the finishing of that area.

In those days the livery was painted as the progressed so it would have been completely finished externally when it went into the weather.

Posted: 05 Oct 2006, 20:06
by Avant-Garde-Aclue
Had the great privilage to be the second downloader of these repaints from CBFS Files. A great site that offers higher download speeds than
Simviation and Avsim with their 30Kbps choke arrangements.

Excellent paints Garry :smile:

Sean

BEA Viscounts 1950s

Posted: 05 Oct 2006, 20:44
by hobby
Many years ago as Member No.47 of the IPMS I used an adhesive backed polished metal foil to cover a 1/72 Fiat G91. Panel lines scribed in with back of a Swan-Morton craft knife. This gave a marvellous finish to the model - but almost blinded me working by electric light in the winter evenings!! Never again!! In those days the Humbrol silver paint was not very convincing so foil had seemed to be the answer.

The foil did come in 'polished' and 'semi-polished' finishes. Could a similar product be used on the real Viscount at Duxford to give it a really polished appearance and protection from the elements - if so I would sympathise with anyone asked to do the job - but no doubt one would cover the shiny side with a 'peel-off' paper during processing so that the person applying that material would not be blinded.

Posted: 05 Oct 2006, 21:13
by Avant-Garde-Aclue
I've been recently using 'Bare Metal Foil' an adheshive, very thin foil in 'Polished Aluminum' for some 1/144th scale airliner models for a client. At $5 US for a sheet 5" x 8" it would be somwhat prohibitive in cost to do the same thing in 1/1 scale. As to its weathering properties on an outdoor exhibit I would'nt like to say.

Sean

Posted: 05 Oct 2006, 22:55
by Garry Russell
Just an idea. The latest paint seem to be silver form photos rather than grey, but silver is not like aluminum

Apart from being uniform and not showing individual panel finishes the colour is wrong.

Silver City Bristol Freighters were painted silver in the 1950's livery. On black and white pics it comes out almost white where as polished aluminium can be almost black in places certainly dark.

As things move on maybe something better will turn up. Best thing would be it they could get it inside.

It would look nice though all polished up.

Posted: 07 Oct 2006, 14:04
by Jon.M
I do like this BEA scheme. I'm off to download them now in honour of my becoming a Viscount.

Viscount Jon of Monza

Has a certain ring to it don't you think. A sort of rightness even.

Posted: 07 Oct 2006, 14:06
by Garry Russell
It certainly does have a ring to it

Hope you enjoy them :smile:

Garry