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Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 00:45
by DaveB
I suppose this is good for us that escaped intrusion. Fact is, can your Mac tell you who it was or is it not that clever?? (note I say 'tell YOU' and not tell us. I don't give a sh*t who the hell it was as long as he's kept out).

It seems unlikely that we weren't attacked because we don't fly 'modern' aircraft mate. If you're gonna have a go at something, you generally go for the head which in this case (not wanting to be bigheaded :lol: ) is CBFS. We have more pilots, more aircraft, fly more miles, make more money e t c... My guess is that whoever it was has a grudge against at least one of the 3 airlines and the other 2 that went down must be associated in some way.. collateral damage.

Another side of the coin is that I'm still a little concerned by out 'Mystery' joiner that suddenly decided he wouldn't join us but start up his own VA (again) flying DC3's. I'm a sucker for coincidences.. this bloke appears (and leaves sharpish) and 3 VA's go down!! :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 03:21
by DispatchDragon
very simply David - using a Mac gives you the ability to open and read ANY code - and most hackers are SFD and egotisitical they leave electronic fingerprints all over bugs - one stupid SOB actually put his REAL name in the code - because he was SO sure no one could read his bug - ten minutes with a MAC and et voila - you can open and read just about anything you want because there is no fear of it effecting your computer - in this case the person was a little smarter - but left enough of a trail - Joe and I have already discussed it and will pass what we have on to Konny.



Leif

Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 11:26
by DaveB
Ah yes..

I think you've mentioned something like this before Leif :wink: Most viruses/bugs tend to go for PC's don't they so Mac's are able to open most things with impunity.. definately a handy tool to have :smile:

Problem is, if this chap is still active.. how does one go about stopping him should he try to join again under an assumed name :think: It still doesn't answer the question why he should go for the VA's he did (though you obviously have more info on this than me). Anyway.. we were left alone so a big sigh of relief for that :wink:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Hacking FlyNET

Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 12:21
by hobby
Is 'hacking' a crime now under English law?

Or are people prosecuted only when they hack into banks, government departments, medical records or large commercial concerns?

I do realise that our VA is a recreational pursuit and of no national importance but hacking is akin to burglary - for the hacker is indeed wherever you have your computer.

Rather than a 'he' could the hacker be an unhappy or lonely wife or partner?

Re: Hacking FlyNET

Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 12:47
by thehappyotter
hobby wrote:Is 'hacking' a crime now under English law?

Or are people prosecuted only when they hack into banks, government departments, medical records or large commercial concerns?

I do realise that our VA is a recreational pursuit and of no national importance but hacking is akin to burglary - for the hacker is indeed wherever you have your computer.

Rather than a 'he' could the hacker be an unhappy or lonely wife or partner?
It is illegal under UK law, the Computer Misuse Act of 1990 covers this kind of thing and people have been prosecuted. I have used this act against a school child who entered the staff area of his school's computer network and changed peoples predicted exam grades.

However, should the offender be abroad (that is technicaly where the offence happened) or the servers which have been hacked not be in the UK then there is virtually no chance this will be followed up by the British Police.

Infact, not that many officers have even heard of the Computer Misuse Act let alone understand how to use it and CID wouldn't touch this with a bargepole...

Posted: 26 Sep 2006, 13:32
by Chris Trott
The US has several laws as does Germany (where Konny's server and Konny are located), however it really falls under international law (and there is relevant law in the international court for this kind of thing) since most likely the perpetrator and the victim are in different countries. In my experience, international cases are fairly hard to prosecute, but the threat of prosecution to the hacker's ISP usually gets the offender removed from having internet access fairly quickly and being subsequently "black-balled" by the ISP as well to ensure that he doesn't easily obtain service from another provider. This seems to work much more effectively as it's sometimes the only way to have the menace removed since they reside in countries where there are no anti-hacking laws but the ISPs are based in countries that do and will prosecute. :smile:

Posted: 27 Sep 2006, 00:04
by thehappyotter
That sounds like a far more realistic and better option.

ISP's can be quite strict, i've got a mate (yea that old chestnut :-$) who when he was about 14 was playing with port scanners and other script kiddie stuff, just experimenting and not being malicious.

Their dad got a phone call from their ISP threatining to cut of the connection unless it stopped.

Although this case with Flynet is technicaly illegal, I can't think of a copper in the country who'd consider taking it on.

Posted: 01 Oct 2006, 14:12
by soggy
Has anyone got a update of when flynet will be back online? It's starting to worry me that there hasn't been an update as to whats happening on the official flynet forum,the last post in the news section was on tuesday!.

Posted: 01 Oct 2006, 14:37
by DaveB
Hello Soggy,

I do not have the 'ear' of the man in charge but as I understand it, little has been done to sort the problem. Most annoying :poke:

I've had to speak to my wife at least twice this last week which is really not on.. especially as she asked who I was!! :lol:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Posted: 01 Oct 2006, 15:04
by 05pricej
i've just tried FlyNET and it's back up and running again :dance: . What happened to it being another week. :think: