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Posted: 31 Aug 2006, 21:58
by Garry Russell
That's OK Leif

Spelt like that it's a country in Africa :smile:

**EDIT Toby crept while I was writing***

As to the film....leave the dog out :huf: but what about the codeword? :dunno:

Are they going to have the bombs hit the wall and a flag pop out saying bang instead of exploding incase the offend Germans.

History shows things as they were then, not as they are now.
I often think things like this are a problem to people who like to are self important, pointing out it's a problem to others when it most likely is not!

The old film was reasonable apart form the rapids cut in for explosion effect. Being monochrome doesn't really matter as it's night time for the most important parts.

Garry

Posted: 31 Aug 2006, 22:03
by DispatchDragon
Yes Toby I know it is - thats why i did it - I spent to much time in the deep south I KNOW exactly how its spelt . Garry I totally agree with you, revisionist history WILL strike again

:(

Leif

An' Boy in Jawja we pronounce that Neegra - Can do a passable Georgian accent when required ;)

Posted: 31 Aug 2006, 22:09
by TobyV
Its a rather peculiar one to my mind, its rather been "reclaimed" by blacks anyway... I think its just a case of them still not liking anyone else using it (thinking of the scene in "Rush Hour" :lol: ).

Posted: 31 Aug 2006, 22:10
by Bridon Bear
We have a new neighbour who is half German.....he is a nice chap and during conversation he told me that his Grandparents were killed in the big air raid on Dresden during the war.

I without thinking replied...'Oh I know the one, my Dad was on that raid in Lancasters.....too late I had said it. :doh: but seeing my obvious concern over my remark he said that he realised that that is what happens in history and was very matter of fact about it.

We are still good neighbours.... :wink:

Regards.

Bridon Bear

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 02:01
by Stewart Pearson
There was a discussion on another forum some time back following Channel 4 (I think) showing the original movie. They dubbed out the N word completely. :-#

From a personal point of view, the dog is an important aspect in that a) His name was used for the code, but more importantly b) His (the dog's) grave is the only tangible reminder of Guy Gibson VC in the United Kingdom, given that the man himself was buried at Steenbergen-en-Kruisland.

I seem to recall that Richard Todd was quoted around the time that this was first discussed, as being against remaking the picture.

Given the recent poor movie remakes that have hit the market, (honestly the Wicker Man without Woodward etc :tuttut: ) I vote, leave the original as the lasting testament to the bravery of all those involved. I mean the Govt. won't strike a Bomber Command medal will they?

Cheers

Stewart

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 14:02
by Motormouse
Stewart Pearson wrote:From a personal point of view, the dog is an important aspect in that a) His name was used for the code, but more importantly b) His (the dog's) grave is the only tangible reminder of Guy Gibson VC in the United Kingdom, given that the man himself was buried at Steenbergen-en-Kruisland.
True, but even the dog's grave has been moved within Scampton y'know.

I don't mind it being remade, but I hope they get some decent young actors to play the part, Sqn Ldr (Acting Wing Commander) Guy Gibson was only 24 at the time of the Dams Raid...the last thing I'd want to see is
some old crinkly like Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise.

http://www.dambusters.org.uk/gibson.htm

ttfn

Pete

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 15:01
by Nigel H-J
Well, if it becomes an American film venture we might see a couple of B17s' heading for the Mohne Dam and Tom Cruise as the winco what? :worried:

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 16:14
by TobyV
Did you read my suggestion on page 1 Nigel? :lol: I think I have just the role for Mr Cruise :lol:

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 16:31
by delticbob
A couple of weeks after last year's (2005) Elvington Air Show I visted the Yorkshire Air Museum, where they have a room filled with artifacts & momorabelia of Barns Wallis.

While I was there there was a small film crew (1 man & a camera) following an old German round - it was quite surreal. You see in films where the German speaks (in German) & inter mixed is the odd familier works like Spitfire & Lancaster.

It was like that.

Turns out the guy was one of the gunners on on of the A/A guns at the Mohne Dam when Gibson & the others did their bomb dropping bit.

I didn't understand a word of what was being said, but even so hearing these memories from one who was actually there was quite moving.

Bob

Posted: 01 Sep 2006, 17:23
by Garry Russell
We had a good family friend my dad worked with.

Hermann was a lovely man.....sadly long gone, and it does bring humanity into it.

My dad was in the RAF.....Hermann was a gunnery officer.

But really they were just young men doing their duty and when it was all over, it was all over.

It was fascinating to hear him tell stories about life as a boy growing up and how different it was to my Dads own boyhood.


Garry