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I do not smoke and think it should NOT be banned

Let people have some vices

I don't find comming home smelling of smoke a problem as those clothes are to be washed anyway before next use.

I also keep ashtrays for visitors who wish to smoke

Just another example of people trying to stop something that has been going on for years.

Don't forget also smokers are a source of income via the taxes they pay, taxes that will have to be found elsewhere. And there is no argument that they spend that in NHS due to bad health as with three pounds or so on a packet they will have paid a lot more than the cost of there threatment.

Here is somewhere that has banned smoking in public areas.

http://www.thisisguernsey.com/code/show ... egory=news

Garry

Hi Dave,

I understand what you are saying, I think there might be a short term dip as a certain sector of your "customer base" resorts instead to sitting at home on the sofa behind the telly with their 'mates' a crate of wifebeater and 20 L&Bs but then you'll probably find they will slowly be replaced by other people who will enjoy the fact the atmosphere has improved (literally). Call it a clean [pub] air act

I must admit I havent been going to a pub much since I left uni but if the atmospheres improved generally I would definitely start going again and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

As for coming home smelling like a brewery instead of an ash tray, yup no problem with that, I'm not old enough to have a wife to nag me about such things

Lets not get away from why this is being done in the first place, its to improve public health. You might even find drink sales go up as people look for a replacement "hit" of something else and something to occupy their mouths. ( I had a teacher at school who used to smoke a pipe and in place of it he had gained the strange habit of holding a Bic biro cap in his gob )

Toby

Hi all,

I can't wait for this ban to come into force. I mean, yeah I dont have any issues with the idea of smokers not wanting to feel restricted by being forced not to smoke down at the pub, but I am sick of coming out of pubs smelling of smoke.

When I was in Bradford at Uni, my house stopped going to "our local" simpley because of the sheer amount of smoke. Im not so much against it when its barely noticable, its when you walk into a pub and feel like you walking into a smokescreen that I can't stand it.

That's an interesting article Garry and one that doesn't fill me with a great deal of hope. It's fine to say 'it'll be alright in the end' but while Joe Public is staying away, staff still have to be paid or laid off and the relentless stream of bill's will continue to land on the doormat regardless. I can see many will fold.. I'm not talking about every pub in the land but undoubtedly.. some will go under. Equally so.. I am convinced that this is the end of the 'Traditional British Pub' as we know it. Many will argue 'good ho' and these will be the twice yearly brigade (christmas eve and christmas day drinkers)!!

As is always the case.. the people responsible will not be effected, that is, the MP's. Few spend any time in their 'local' unless for PR reasons and as previously mentioned, the Houses of Parliament plus nominated places (eg.. bars where these gits hang out) will not come under the new law. If the bill were being introduced due to concern for public health, it shows in the way the bill has been put together that they have little regard for their own. Come to mention it.. I have little regard for their health either

I think I'd better stay away from this thread as I fell my blood pressure rising. A quick puff on the old dummy will do the trick

Fact of the matter is.. the government.. any government needs the sale of tobacco to continue as it is an invaluable and easy source of revenue likewise, the sale of alcohol and petrol must continue. The number of deaths caused by accidents or drink/smoking related illnesses is more than outweighed by the revenue recieved from such activities.. revenue the government needs to stay afloat. It would be interesting to see what would happen if we all stopped smoking, drinking and driving! :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Hi Dave

They really need to think it trough properly.

What might happen is the food trade dying off with job losses as pub lunches reduce in number.

Trouble is these things are pointed out but minds are already made up

Pity they can't ban smoking in lounge bars but still allow it in the traditional public bars.

Truth is some establishments are running the borderline in any case and this can spell job losses overnight.

It's so easy just to say ban this..that or whatever...but life is integrated to a way of life.

It's simple can't smoke then get the beers in at home and instead of a pub lunch have a barbecue.

It is destroying social behaviour to some extent as home functions are for frieids...pubs are about meeting people.

But this is really all to do with people feeling powerful by denying others their choice.

There is a lot more to this than a smoking ban.

Garry

Lots of money will be saved though if we could eliminate all or the vast majority of people treated by the NHS for lung cancer, throat cancer, mouth cancer, lung disease, heart disease, emphysema etc etc all as a result of smoking. So at the moment, revenue from smoking probably just about pays for all the treatments needed for its effects :think:

Toby

Those smokes at £3 plus a packet tax have paid a lot more in extra taxes than the NHS cost of their treatment.

And why not say drivers cost the NHS more because of the fumes they breath in and city dwellers.

Smokers have paid the extra.

Garry

I think Toby that you must believe what you read in the papers or live in a rather more rarified atmosphere than I to believe that all of these 'proposed savings' will go to the common good Nothing will actually be saved.. it will be reallocated and probably on some other hairbrained scheme that we'll all end up paying for in the end As sure as egg's is egg's, our taxes will not fall so there'll be more to spend on 'Inner City' problems and Gay, one parent bus shelters or perhaps to dig another third-world country out of it's self inflicted trouble and strife :roll:

Some of us go for years without even a sniff of the doctors or the NHS and all the time, we pay in. Stopping smoking in pubs will not reduce the strain on the NHS mate and it would be folly to think so. All these smoking related deseases you mentioned will still happen because you are not going to stop people smoking just because they can't do it in pubs anymore

ATB

DaveB :tab:

I know its not going to stop it over night, but combined with lots of other measures (bans on advertising, social stigmatisation etc etc) , hopefully it can be reduced and that must surely have a positive benefit on the NHS. Any relief on the health service would be welcome, currently all of the hospitals ithin about 20 miles of here are under threat.

The way I see it, its a long old process but this is one positive step along the way. Unlike drinking, smoking adverses affected other people around the smoker which isnt fair on them. Also unlike drinking I cannot understand what anyone gets out of tobacco. If yo drink alchohol you get a nice drunk feeling but as far as I can see smoking just gives you a nicotine fix which you only need because you got addicted in the first place :think:

TobyV wrote:Lots of money will be saved though if we could eliminate all or the vast majority of people treated by the NHS for lung cancer, throat cancer, mouth cancer, lung disease, heart disease, emphysema etc etc all as a result of smoking. So at the moment, revenue from smoking probably just about pays for all the treatments needed for its effects :think:

We smokers paying our taxes, plus the extra on tobacco, then dying young from heart attacks, strokes and cancer rather than collecting pensions for 25 years while having hip replacements and long term care for the elderly are saving you non smokers a packet I reckon.

Jon