Classic British Flight Sim

Hello Mate

It's not in the individual folders and not in the common texture folder as far as I can see. There are a number of prop files in there (both Spit and Hurri believe it or not) but I couldn't see anything that resembled a prop disc and I looked at all the prop files

ATB
DaveB

When you say common folder is that a Hurricane pack common folder or a JF common folder.??

Rick Argosy prop texture was in the FS 9 root directory although placing one in an Argosy texture folder caused that version to be called in place.

I would expect to see more prop activity on a piston engine prop than a high RPM turbo prop.

But not the heavy beating blades most people seem to think they should be.

Hello Mate

The 'common' texture folder I mentioned is in the Hurricane folder.. there isn't a common JF folder. I've also looked in the main FSX texture folder and can't see anything of note. TBH.. the 'blur' on the Hurricane simply looks like the animation going like stink rather than changing to a prop disc texture

ATB
DaveB

Maybe it is...if that's possible in FS.X

Could be some special coding for a bespoke effect.

You can do anything if you know what you're doing

Yes.. well that counts me out then

Incidentally.. I've just looked in the 'Hurricane Early' common texture folder and there IS a prop disc in there (I'd only looked in the Mk1 common folder as it's a Mk1 I've been flying). Give me a week and a half for FSX to load up and I'll take a look at the 'Early' versions

EDIT: Now there's a thing. The early version has a 'working' prop disc texture even though the early version is a 2-blade prop and the texture is a 3-blade texture Dropping that texture into the later (3-blade) model still doesn't give a defined disc though.. in fact it doesn't look like it calls for that texture at all

EDIT#2 Having just looked at the RA Spit in FSX.. it doesn't have a 'traditional' prop disc either

ATB
DaveB

Dave
I scouted around and discovered that JF themselves were offering the Huuri for under AU$20, and the BOB trio for AU$45. Cashed in some loyalty points, and got the set.
Bit miffed about the 109, though. I always thought of it as the Bf 109. They call it Me109.
I've also had trouble flying with that darned German style instrument panel:

I saw the trio too but already have the WOP Messerschmitt and Spit and the RA Spit so the Hurricane on it's own was perfect

I don't think calling it an Me109 is incorrect but it is as you say generally referred to as an Me Bf109 or simply a Bf109
ATB
DaveB

Reminds me of a list of "German" terms for student pilots handed out by the local Aero Club back in the 60's

I can remember a few...'W 'of course pronounced as 'V'

Student = Der Dumkoffen

Control column = Der Wingenwobbler

Rudder pedals = Der Tailwagger

Pilot = Der Wingenwobbler tailwagger werker

Throttle = Der Gofassenlever

Forced landing = Der Bumpzenkraschen

Students first solo = Der Bumpzenkraschen

Dead stick forced landing = Der Bumpzenkraschen mitt aut der gofassenlever.

There were more but it was a long time ago

Airspeed wrote: Bit miffed about the 109, though. I always thought of it as the Bf 109. They call it Me109.

Actually both designations are correct; the initial design by Messerchmitt was called Bf after the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke factory; Willy Messerschmitt joined the company in 1927 as chief designer and engineer.

From Wikipedia:

One of the first designs, the Messerschmitt M20, was a near-catastrophe for the designer and the company. Many of the prototypes crashed, one of them killing Hans Hackmack, a close friend of Erhard Milch, the head of Deutsche Luft Hansa and the German civil aviation authorities. Milch was upset by the lack of response from Messerschmitt and this led to a lifelong hatred towards him. Milch eventually cancelled all contracts with Messerschmitt and forced BFW into bankruptcy in 1931. However, the German re-armament programs and Messerschmitt's friendship with Hugo Junkers prevented a stagnation of the careers of him and BFW, which was started again in 1933. Milch still prevented Messerschmitt's takeover of the BFW until 1938, hence the designation "Bf" of early Messerschmitt designs


Messerschmitt promoted a concept he called "light weight construction" in which many typically separate load-bearing parts were merged into a single reinforced firewall, thereby saving weight and improving performance. The first true test of the concept was in the Bf 108 Taifun sports-plane, which would soon be setting all sorts of records. Based on this performance the company was invited to submit a design for the Luftwaffe's 1935 fighter contest, winning it with the Bf 109, based on the same construction methods.

From this point on Messerschmitt became a favorite of the Nazi party, as much for his designs as his political abilities and the factory location in southern Germany away from the "clumping" of aviation firms on the northern coast. BFW was reconstituted as "Messerschmitt AG" on July 11, 1938, with Willy Messerschmitt as chairman and managing director. The renaming of BFW resulted in the company's RLM designation prefix changing from "Bf" to "Me" for all newer designs that were accepted by the RLM after the acquisition date. Existing types, such as the Bf 109 and 110, retained their earlier designation in official documents, although sometimes the newer designations were used as well, most often by subcontractors, such as Erla Maschinenwerk of Leipzig. In practise, all BFW/Messerschmitt aircraft from the Bf 108 four-seat touring monoplane, to the Bf 163 light observation aircraft (not the same plane as the later Me 163 rocket fighter) were prefixed "Bf", all later types with "Me".


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Pete

Thanks Pete,
Though I was aware of the general Bf history, from my copy of "Hurricane & Messerschmitt," and have reproductions of the pilot's notes which, themselves, wobbled between Me & Bf in the 30s/40s, it still bugs me. I'm fine with Me 262, but prefer Bf 109 & 110. I'm just grumpy sometimes. I'm not denying anything you've said, as it's all correct.


Anyway, I've MORE to whinge about now.......the Hurri and Spitfire gravity-fed carburettors should starve when inverted or diving straight forward, but the JF versions don't.
What's more, the brass landing light switch turns on the cockpit lights
And after a short outing, I see that the landing lights on both RAF aircraft drift a lo - o - ong way from the wings - what is that - loose wiring?
JF will be hearing from me!
Meanwhile I'll just have to use the "Cliffs of Dover" versions to get the realism.