New FS9 DC3 model at Avsim

[Garry Russell]

Exactly Felix

Pandora's Box could well and truly be opened

It is released under the heading "Flight Simulator 2004 - Original Aircraft "

It is an auto installer and everything is there including a new much poorer "tinny" sound

I see nowhere it staing that it is the default reworked and as mentioned yesterday there have been many enhancements downloaded seperately

Whe I first saw it I was exicted with the prospect of a decent DC3 for FS.9 that could hopefully be painted properly

But no

Low poly jagged engines and wheels still in place along with the awful texture mapping.

I have no problem with what has done....any enhancement large or small is very welcome............... but with the way that it has been presented....it is not an original model

I doubt if the high level of downloads would have taken place if it was clear just what it is.

They should put it under the Textures and modifications heading and clearly state it is a repackage/update of the default


Garry

[ravilamir]

Hi Garry,

Not everyone values external appearance over substance. I's rather fly a badly repainted aircraft, but with realistic FDE and aircraft systems simulated to the max capabilities of FS.

From the DC-3C Manual:

THE DC-3C
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What, another DC-3? Aren't there enough already?

If there was any FS2004 DC-3 out there like this one, I wouldn't have gone to all the trouble. It started out as my personal project, born of me wanting a simulation that included all the DC-3's systems, not just those that FS2004 made easy to implement; and equally my desire to fly an airplane that could fail, so that I had to pay attention to the checklists and emergency procedures.

Several sample textures are provided. Feel free to include your own -- any DC-3 livery that will work o nthe default FS2004 DC-3 will work with this one. The flight dynamics are from the versions designed by Mark Beaumont and Dave Bitzer. The panel is my own design, unabashedly to my own personal tastes. I studied every one of the hundreds of cockpit photos all over the internet to be sure I didn't make it implausible (there is no standard DC-3 cockpit, every one is different). I like 2D cockpits, and I like everything I normally need to manipulate or check during the flight right on the main screen so I don't have to flip windows all the time.

The systems implementation took six months to complete. It's based on the QuebecAir DC-3C flight manual, which is available on the internet at the time I write this (use Google). My goal was to be able to use the real manual to fly the DC-3C in FS2004. I believe I succeeded at a 90-95 percent level (the default and most freeware implementations are at best 50-60 percent of the real thing). Future versions may contain even more, such as the APU and the cabin heater.

The real pearl of this airplane, though, is the deep and rich set of failure modes. They are all specific to this airplane and implemented in the panel code, they don't rely on or use the crude, simplistic default FS2004 failure system in any way.

Read the operations manual for details. But if you'd like to experience the difference, try this experiment: start up the engines on any other FS2004 DC-3, set the parking brake, and firewall the throttles. Let it sit there. It'll run for hours until it runs out of gas. Would that happen in real life? Of course not, the overheated engines would shut down or catch fire long before the gas ran out. Now, try the same thing on the DC-3C. I guarantee you that once those engines get overheated bad things will happen. Then, try it again. Did the exact same thing happen the second time? Probably not, because I've done my best to make this airplane feel like the real thing: not perfect, and not always perfectly predictable. But for sure, abusing the DC-3C's engines has consequences, just like in the real world.

There are over 64 specific failure modes in the DC-3C, each one realistic, and each one implemented in a realistic way that goes beyond just 'random failures'. In this cockpit, skipping checklist items or not operating the airplane within its proper operating specs can have consequences. Just like in the real world.

The whole point is to make everything not just look, but *feel* "as real as is gets".

And:

The DC-3C is an extensive modification of the Microsoft default DC-3 to make the experience of operating and flying it more authentic. The problem with many of the simulated aircraft in MSFS is that they are too simplistic and too perfect. This works fine for the more casual virtual pilots but for those of us that want a deeper sense of realism, we long for more complete and accurate systems modeling and for emergency procedures, checklists, and operational limitations that have meaning -- because things can (and sometimes do) go wrong in real-world airplanes.

You can't say that the author isn't aware that it is just the "default DC-3", but one that, for the first time in FS can fail and has all the systems properly modelled.

Best regards

[Chris Trott]

It is released under the heading "Flight Simulator 2004 - Original Aircraft "

I personally must take umbrage to this part of your ranting Garry. Unless something has SIGNIFICANTLY changed in the way AVSIM handles things, the author has NO (don't know how to make it triple bold) control over what section his addon goes into. That is the job of that AVSIM Library Staff. If you have an issue with where it is placed, talk to AVSIM and their dumbass way of ordering and classifying their library. While you're at it, remind them (again) that they need to work on having a usable seach routine for the library because I'm sick of going in and typing in exactly what I want and either getting everything but what I asked for or nothing at all.

Not only that, but why don't you talk to them about their stupid policy which they only just now changed that said that if you didn't include your e-mail address they wouldn't upload your file even if you included a forum where support issues could be addressed?

Sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves about AVSIM. They have a large library, but it's not very well ordered nor is it fairly administered. The only time I visit that site is when I have to and only then it's via direct-link to the download.

[RAF_Quantum]

CT

When you upload to Avsim you have a drop down menu that you select where you wish your upload to be placed in the Avsim library.

Rgds

John

[Garry Russell]

Chris

As John points out it is the person uploading who places the file under the respective heading .

Not Avsim staff

You are clearly wrong here Chris.

So don't shout your mouth of at me like that.

My bone is that is is just a modification hand that is not made clear.

It is not with Avsim

Garry