When the Future is the Past

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 16 May 2006, 21:09

I have walked on the wing of Concorde... biggest danger is slipping off due to "adverse camber" towards the tips and leading edges (not to mention depressurised elevons

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VEGAS · Post by **VEGAS** » 16 May 2006, 21:11

TobyVickers wrote: Conceptually, its not doing an awful lot more than the 747 achieved in 1970, its not the sort of quantum leap Concorde was and all that was necessary in terms of materials, aerodynamics, weight and balance and computational electronics to achieve a Mach 2 airliner. .

I understand what you are saying Toby, however I was merely pointing out that the A380 IS a geniune milestone is current aviation terms.

Like you said in your own statement, Boeing have'nt come close since the 1970's for anything like this.

And as for Concorde, well, nothing can or will ever achieve the status or kudos that this aircraft had and still has to this day. :tuttut:

ATB (say hello to Neil when you next speak)

jonesey2k · Post by **jonesey2k** » 16 May 2006, 21:12

Im with Vegas on this one.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 May 2006, 21:44

I always like the contempory quote about how much of an achievement Concorde was.

"We had to design something that had never been done before but in order to do so we had to defeat Sir Isaac Newton in two languages"

Garry

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 16 May 2006, 22:48

VEGAS wrote:I understand what you are saying Toby, however I was merely pointing out that the A380 IS a geniune milestone is current aviation terms.

But is it really?

Let's look at the facts -

Double Deck - Been done. B377, two of the Pan-Am Clippers, and the SR Princess.

800-seat capacity - Been done. XC-99 was tested as a 750-seat airliner during testing and was said to have been able to cary 800+ in an "economy"-type layout.

Million Pound Takeoff weight - Been Done. Not just by the 747, but by the AN-124, AN-225, C-5B, and several others.

What is it really that the A380 is giving us that hasn't been done before?

In fact, the only thing that the A380 can really claim for "achievements" are in a very specific category - Passenger Jet Aircraft. But if you listen to Airbus's PR department, you'd think that it's broken records of some sort in every category and in the absolute category. That's just not true. It's an evolutionary step on every level, not a major milestone.

DispatchDragon · Post by **DispatchDragon** » 16 May 2006, 22:56

:think: :think:

Fully intergrated fly by wire on an aircraft of that size

I dunno - why are we discussing the merits of a modern NON english aircraft here???

:roll:

Post by **TSR2** » 16 May 2006, 23:02

DispatchDragon wrote::think: :think:

Fully intergrated fly by wire on an aircraft of that size

I dunno - why are we discussing the merits of a modern NON english aircraft here???

:roll:

Sorry Leif, British Aircraft

DispatchDragon · Post by **DispatchDragon** » 16 May 2006, 23:07

oops thats right forgot -- Hey GUYS THE CRANE IS HERE!!!!!!

its ok for those who dont know - you'll get over it

Ok ok Classic British Aircraft - cept I didnt think they made aircarft in Wales

<--gently walking back throuhg the mine field to my bomb shelter

Leif

Post by **TSR2** » 16 May 2006, 23:12

And Belfast and Prestwick.... your walking the tightrope now! :tuttut:

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 16 May 2006, 23:22

DispatchDragon wrote:oops thats right forgot -- Hey GUYS THE CRANE IS HERE!!!!!!

its ok for those who dont know - you'll get over it

Ok ok Classic British Aircraft - cept I didnt think they made aircarft in Wales

<--gently walking back throuhg the mine field to my bomb shelter

Leif

Isnt the Broughton/Hawarden factory not technically in sheepsh*ggerland?