Mad bank

jonesey2k · Post by **jonesey2k** » 12 May 2007, 01:38

My first lesson

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1207964/L/
That looks what, 85 degrees? Slip ball isnt centered but thats to be expect with a bank like that

FlyTexas · Post by **FlyTexas** » 12 May 2007, 03:58

Wow, he's really putting that little Beech through its paces. I wonder what he's doing with her? 1500 ft climb...airspeed dropping quickly...a wee bit of right aileron...death-grip on the yoke.

Oh, if I'm not mistaken, Mikko Maliniemi is the modeller Dreamfleet uses for most of its GA aircraft.

Brian

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 12 May 2007, 05:13

Yes, he is, and if it's the same guy, DF ought to be killing him about now for being in a plane doing that. Can you imagine their insurance cost when the appraiser sees that?

Then he sees these and they really go up -

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1140333/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1084940/M/

cstorey · Post by **cstorey** » 12 May 2007, 09:38

It bis a fairly normal steep turn at about 75 degs bank. Quite why Mr Trott thinks the insurers would frown on this I do not know. In the UK we habitually teach students steep turns, including in particular collision avoidance turns . However, the right hand should be on the throttle throughout, and there should have been less top rudder applied so as to keep the turn balanced

Post by **DaveB** » 12 May 2007, 12:10

Great shots, all of 'em

While the Fouga looks a bit wild and whacky, he's not pulling much G at all so the aircraft isn't suffering much. It aint what ya do it's the way that ya do it

Seen a Nimrod at the same angle on many an occassion and BrianW tells me they're pulling nowhere near 2g.. just like the jet in CT's couple of shots

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 12 May 2007, 13:34

Chris... note the multiple smilies... I'm joking... (geez........... :roll: )

Anyway, I've never seen anyone reccomend a steep turn in a light aircraft at 75+ degrees of bank. In fact, the Cessna handbook expressly prohibits bank angles over 60 degrees due to the possibility of snap stalls. The Piper Warrior prohibits anything over 70 degrees due to the rudder not having sufficient authority to maintain vertical control at angles above it.

A proper steep turn is at exactly 60 degrees of bank and exactly 1.5G of force.

cstorey · Post by **cstorey** » 13 May 2007, 07:50

The Reims Cessna manual never referred to bank angles, and of course the Aerobat was cleared for most manouevres. As I have said, we have always taught collision avoidance turns involving rolling the a/c 90 degrees to the right. There is absolutely no problem in recovery