How do I get to Glasgow...in a VC15...

DanKH · Post by **DanKH** » 06 Dec 2006, 15:22

Thanks John.

I think now will be a good moment for DM to update the Route Inquiry Table

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 07 Dec 2006, 20:20

DanKH wrote:Just skimmed the BOAC 1973 flightplan (I had it anyway)

All notes of Glasgow states Prestwick. So there.

Just to confirm what Dan said, my 69 BOAC timetable says the same thing.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 07 Dec 2006, 20:23

They wern't allowed to fly direct then..regulations dictated they had to fly via Prestwick.

Garry

Post by **DaveB** » 07 Dec 2006, 20:52

Hi Garry,

To pick up on this.. was Prestwick considered to be 'Glasgow' for longhaul's and would pax have been bussed out to Prestwick from Glasgow Airport (and t'other way round)??

I remember when I flew out to Portugal in '76, pick up was at some terminal or other in London (Victoria??) and we were bussed to LHR in airline transport (BEA I think).

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Post by **Garry Russell** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:11

There was some strange regulation that prevented direct services

The same thing happened in Ireland all flight had to go via Shannon

They fought for years to be allowed to fly direct and eventuality were allowed

It was one of those make it difficult to protect the London routes things I think

All tied up in operating rights

Never did really understand it.

In later years aircraft were landing at Prestwick and then taking off for Glasgow without and pax getting on or off.

Previously they had to go to Prestwick as a separate flight as with the BOAC Viscounts, later flight went via Prestwick

It was to do with designated entry points or something...never made any sense.

I'm quite vague on it as it was a political thing but there was a lot of demands to be allowed direct. Same thing with Edinburgh

Operating rights were a lot more restricted then.

I'll see if I can find out about it

Garry

Post by **Garry Russell** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:15

Here you are

I remeber it was al wrapped up ion fancy langue but here is how it affected Glagow

Extract from an article

Garry

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Abbotsinch took over from Renfrew airport on 2 May 1966.[1][2] It was a controversial plan[citation needed], as central government had already committed millions into rebuilding Prestwick Airport fit for the "jet age". Nevertheless, the plan went forward and the new airport, designed by Basil Spence and built at a cost of Â£4.2 million, was completed in 1966, with British European Airways beginning services using De Havilland Comet aircraft. The first commercial flight to arrive was a British

European Airways flight from Edinburgh, landing at 8am on May 2, 1966. The airport was officially opened on June 27, 1966 by Queen Elizabeth II. The political rows over Glasgow and Prestwick airports continued, with Prestwick enjoying a monopoly over transatlantic traffic, while Glasgow Airport was only allowed to handle UK and intra-European traffic.

In 1975 the British Airports Authority (BAA) took ownership of Glasgow Airport. When BBA was privatised in the late 1980s, as BAA plc, it consolidated its airport portfolio. Conveniently, the restrictions on Glasgow Airport were lifted, and the transatlantic operators immediately moved from Prestwick; Glasgow Airport being renamed Glasgow International Airport. BAA plc then sold Prestwick off, and embarked on a massive redevelopment plan for Glasgow International Airport in 1989.

ianhind · Post by **ianhind** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:17

Buses: Possibly one of these (2nd and 3rd pictures).

http://www.yellins.com/transporthistory/Bus/airport.htm

but in different colours by 1976

http://www.countrybus.org/RMA/RMA.html

Based on Routemaster.

And as I remember the concept was "checking in" at Victoria.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:30

From 1971 it was in chartered Cambian Viscount

Then charted BMA Viscounts from 1976.

They used to fly the pax a lot..TBH I have not heard of them bussing them. It's quite a way by road to Prestwick and not very wide or at least wasn't then.....not a fast road.

Garry

ianhind · Post by **ianhind** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:41

Garry

I was referring to DaveB's comment about Heathrow and buses. I've no idea about Glasgow - never ventured north of Watford in those days.

Ian

Post by **DaveB** » 07 Dec 2006, 21:44

Tks for that Garry and Ian

The Glasgow debacle makes sense to some degree with millions having been poured into Prestwick. Last time I was up that neck of the woods (that would be 1983).. Prestwick was being used for training Concorde pilots. Remember seeing lots of T&G's being done in the bent nail

Sad fact with those buses Ian.. I honestly can't remember now as they all seem familiar :roll: I'm pretty certain the Trident I flew to Lisbon in was a '3' but I'd be hard pushed to actually lay money on it

So long ago and so many beers later :crying:

ATB

DaveB :tab: